This episode dives into the pressing issue of food security with Chris Hume from the Lancaster Patriot. The conversation revolves around the recent raid on Amos Miller's organic farm by Pennsylvania state troopers and the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture.
This episode dives into the pressing issue of food security with Chris Hume from the Lancaster Patriot. The conversation revolves around the recent raid on Amos Miller's organic farm by Pennsylvania state troopers and the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture. Miller has been selling meat directly to his community, which led to the raid based on a search warrant citing incidents dating back to 2016, where individuals allegedly became sick after consuming his products. The warrant also highlighted that Miller had not complied with state licensing and registration requirements.
The discussion highlights the broader implications of the state's intervention in the food industry, particularly affecting small-scale and organic farmers like Miller, who is Amish. The Amish community has historically been successful in maintaining a degree of separation from the heavily regulated food industry. However, the recent raid suggests a concerning trend of the state attempting to force compliance with regulations that favor large, centralized food producers.
Chris Hume emphasizes the need for food freedom and the right to choose what we consume as a fundamental aspect of liberty. He also discusses the role of the state in enforcing regulations, often at the expense of small businesses and individual rights. The conversation touches upon the importance of opposing unjust laws and the potential for civil disobedience to protect freedoms.
Staff
The conversation between Marty and Chris Hume serves as a clarion call for the preservation of food freedom and the right to self-determination in the face of increasing state intervention. The raid on Amos Miller's farm is not just an isolated incident but a symbol of the broader struggle between small-scale, traditional food producers and the regulatory state that favors industrialized agriculture.
The key takeaway from this discussion is the importance of standing up for individual liberties and supporting those who resist unjust laws. As the conversation suggests, the fight for food freedom is deeply intertwined with the principles of justice, self-governance, and opposition to tyranny. It is a reminder that complacency in the face of government overreach can lead to the erosion of fundamental freedoms, not just in the realm of food production but across all aspects of life.
In conclusion, the conversation underscores the need for a collective awakening to the dangers of statism and the importance of reclaiming the rights endowed by our Creator, rather than those dictated by the state. It is a call to action for individuals to take responsibility for their choices and to support those who courageously defend our inalienable rights.
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0:00 - Intro
6:17 - Amos Miller raided
10:42 - State dislikes independent communities
14:28 - The problem of positive law
19:01 - The state removes your choices
24:59 - “Raw” milk and choosing for yourself
29:00 - Forgoing convenience
32:01 - Those who enable tyranny
40:02 - Money printing gives the state leverage
48:47 - Statism vs Christianity
1:00:52 - Pushing back
1:04:45 - Wrapping up
00:00:03:10 - 00:00:31:24
Marty
Welcome back to TFT. I'm sitting down with Chris HUME from the Lancaster Patriot to talk about a topic that we've covered loosely over the last few years, which is food security. Last week, Amos Miller had Pennsylvania State troopers come and raid his farm because of the fact that he was selling meat directly to his community. Chris, you were on site covering the situation.
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Marty
What went on that day, I believe, was Wednesday or Thursday of last week.
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Chris
Yeah, thanks for having me on, Marty. Yeah, it was Thursday morning. I received a phone call from someone letting me know that Amos was being raided yet again. This is not the first time this has happened to Amos. I got the phone call. State troopers are there. So when I got there, I don't know how long the state troopers had already been on site.
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Chris
And there were as well as state troopers. There were employees of the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture. And so the state troopers are really just providing security, quote unquote. So these employees of the state Department of Agriculture obtained a search warrant to enter Amos Miller's farm and search his products. So they were inside the building there. They would not let me in.
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Chris
They turned me away. From what I understand, they wouldn't even allow Amos Miller, the owner of the farm, inside his own buildings while they were conducting the search warrant. So we don't know exactly what they did in there. I mean, and sometimes it can be difficult to get police body cam footage. So it's hard to say. You know what?
00:01:36:18 - 00:01:56:28
Chris
They tracked in with them. They took out some of Amos products, but they were in there ostensibly testing his products and confiscating seizing some of his property and then leaving a detainment order saying that I don't believe it's all of his products, but a lot of his products cannot be used. They're sold or it can't even be disposed of.
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Chris
But that was the initial the initial scene, about five vehicles there, two state trooper vehicles, three state trooper individuals there. And preventing entrance into the into the farm store.
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Marty
What was the justification of the search warrant?
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Chris
So the search warrant there was an interesting search warrant. This was from an employee, I believe is Sherry Morris within the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture. The search warrant cited incidents going all the way back to 2016, which is interesting. So basically, Amos Miller, just for your listeners, that might not be aware, Amos Miller has been conducting his organic farm operations here in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, I'd say for at least two decades.
00:02:41:16 - 00:03:06:03
Chris
I think he took over from his father and he's continued to improve his operations, and he has customers all over the nation. And the search warrant cited some different incidences dating back to 2016 where apparently someone I believe it was in California, someone allegedly got sick and they allegedly consumed some of Amos products. All of this is very vague.
00:03:06:05 - 00:03:35:09
Chris
There's really not a direct link to Amos Miller, I think, in many of this stuff. But so they listed several incidents saying, well, someone got sick and they had Amos products. And so the search warrant kind of listed different years, different incidents. And then the latest thing was in December of 2023. So just this past month, apparently an individual in New York and another individual in Michigan, I believe, got sick, went to the hospital.
00:03:35:12 - 00:04:04:04
Chris
And allegedly, those people were they had E coli. They got sick for me coli. And once again, they had consumed or potentially consumed or purchased products from Amos Miller Store. All of this is kind of vague, but in the end, the real justification on the search warrant, all of those things as far as, oh, someone may have potentially gotten sick, all of that was directed towards I think it's the last paragraph of the search warrant for Amos Miller is not licensed.
00:04:04:06 - 00:04:24:25
Chris
He's not registered. He has not jumped through the bureaucratic hoops that the state has sworn him to. And so that's really what this is about at the end. I think the claims of sickness are just a pretense to shut down Amos Miller, because at the end of the day, the search warrant says, you know, he is not licensed, he's not registered, he didn't follow our mandates.
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Chris
And that's why I want to be allowed in there.
00:04:28:07 - 00:04:44:15
Marty
In this particular case, between the state of Pennsylvania and Amos and previously the federal government in Amos is very interesting because Amos, if I'm correct, is Amish, correct. He's part of the Amish community, Lancaster County.
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Chris
Right.
00:04:45:07 - 00:05:14:18
Marty
Now. Growing up in Philadelphia, we had Redding Terminal in Philadelphia, and that was one of the best sections of writing Terminal was the Amish section. They would come in from Lancaster, sell their baked goods, their meat, and everybody loved it. And the Amish have done a particularly good job sort of bifurcating and inoculating themselves from the rest of society, the modernized, industrialized, digitized society here in the United States.
00:05:14:18 - 00:05:38:01
Marty
And they've done a very good job of running successful businesses and living in their own community, particularly in Lancaster County and other parts of the country, obviously parts of Appalachia as well. And I think this is a big point in the history of the Amish in the United States. They've sort of had their ability to run their operations.
00:05:38:01 - 00:05:58:00
Marty
They do it very well. People love it again. People in Philadelphia love the the Amish section of running terminal. And the state seems to want a cattle herd, everybody towards these hyper regulated parts of the food industry, which is dominated by very few players in the Amish for a long time. So we're not going to play that game.
00:05:58:03 - 00:06:08:10
Marty
We make good food, we do it in a good way. We rejoin the farm, we take care of our animals, we take care of our customers. And it seems like the state does not like that.
00:06:08:12 - 00:06:29:12
Chris
Right. And I think this is, you know, maybe something of a boiling point. I'm not sure. In one sense. I hope it does galvanize not just the Amish, but Americans in general to stand up for food freedom. You know, if we don't have the freedom to choose what we eat, what freedom do we have? But I think there's a challenge here and there's a lot of directions we could go with this, Marty.
00:06:29:12 - 00:06:51:13
Chris
But but the Amish, you know, in the 1960s, I believe they really took a stand against government education. And they said, we do not want to send our children to the state to be educated. And that was a big deal because generally speaking, the Amish, you know, a Baptist background, they don't really want to stir things up. They want to be left to themselves, but they did take a stand with government education.
00:06:51:13 - 00:07:14:10
Chris
And I believe some people even went to jail over that. Some Amish men even went to jail because of their defiance of the government. In that case, which again, is is somewhat out of character for the typical Amish mindset. And I think what Amos Miller is up against here is not only up against the statists in the federal government and in this case, the state government.
00:07:14:12 - 00:07:37:04
Chris
He's also up against a general mindset. First of all, I'd say in the American mind that we need the government to regulate these things to keep us safe. That's a big problem in America. But he's also, I think, up against somewhat within the Amish community itself. Will the Amish community as a whole get behind Amos or will they say, you know what, we just got to follow these regulations?
00:07:37:06 - 00:07:58:05
Chris
And as it stands now, my understanding here being here in Lancaster County, I think there's some hesitancy for the community as a whole, the Amish community, to really get behind what Amos is doing. And I hope that this situation and I hope we don't have to have more like this, will galvanize them to say, you know what, we need to make a stand like we did in the sixties over government education.
00:07:58:07 - 00:08:15:08
Chris
If if we continue to roll over here and let the government tell us what we can and can't eat, you know, we're not going to have a society left to even offer these products. You know, the Amish way of life will end, and not to mention freedom for many other people.
00:08:15:10 - 00:08:49:15
Marty
Yeah, I recall seeing you interview a pastor, I believe it was Friday or Thursday afternoon. And when we get back to first principles and essentially what Amazon and other Amish farmers are doing, they're essentially trying to provide a good service to their community, raise animals, raise crops, deliver that high quality food to consumers, consumers making an educated decision, hey, I think this guy is doing a good job running his farm.
00:08:49:15 - 00:09:11:07
Marty
I think his food tastes good. I think it's healthy. I want to purchase that food from him. If a peer to peer interaction there, the state feels compelled to interject themselves into at any given point in time. And I thought that interview you had with the priest was pretty illuminating because you get back to like biblical sort of the biblical stance on this.
00:09:11:10 - 00:09:29:27
Marty
Like if there's no harm done, there shouldn't be any crime and there shouldn't be any persecute action on behalf of or towards the person providing the service. Could you elaborate on what what the pastor said during that brief interview with him?
00:09:30:00 - 00:09:54:09
Chris
Yeah, that was Pastor Joel saying he's a pastor here in Lancaster County of Independence, Reformed Bible Church, RBC Dot Church. If you want more information on Pastor Joel. And one of the things I really appreciate about Pastor Joel is that from the pulpit and also just throughout the week, he is engaging in the public with with the law, word of God, and explaining how the Bible applies to all of life.
00:09:54:11 - 00:10:25:12
Chris
And that's one of the things in it's very sad in America where we've where we're at right now, where we are, we we have such a a tradition, a history of Christian thought and Bible based ethics, and we've abandoned that. And one of the important things that Pastor Joel brought up in that interaction was this idea of administrative law and the government, you know, interjecting itself in in interactions between people.
00:10:25:12 - 00:10:49:21
Chris
So if you if you look at the Bible to look at biblical law, it's it's ensuring that justice is done between a man and his neighbor. So those those are the two parties in the in the interaction, if you will. It's me and my neighbor. It's me and someone else. And if I wrong someone, then that person can can go to the magistrate and say, hey, I've been wronged by this person, here's my case.
00:10:49:24 - 00:11:11:27
Chris
And that's that's you know, there's much more we can get into there, Marty. But in a nutshell, that's the biblical idea of justice. Now, there's some more things we could cover, but the point is, the state coming in, we've created a status system in America where the civil government now is proactively trying to, quote unquote, protect and manage our affairs.
00:11:12:00 - 00:11:33:24
Chris
And R.J. Rushdoony years ago said once, once the law becomes positive in the sense that that the government can make laws that say, hey, we're going to make all these laws in order to protect the health of the people. Once that becomes the M.O. of a society, tyranny is inevitable because the government will now say it is in our interests to protect you.
00:11:33:25 - 00:11:51:16
Chris
So now every law we make, we have authority to do this because it's in your best interest. Biblical law says, look, if someone has wronged you, now, you go to the magistrate. And of course, in Amos's case, you know, and people can have complaints about a business and we could talk about that as well, you know, willing seller, willing buyer.
00:11:51:23 - 00:12:18:20
Chris
But I don't have a problem with people saying, Hey, I got a complaint about this product or that product. But as far as saying that he has he's done evil, That's we don't see that in this case. Nothing Amos has done violates the law of God. Nothing Amos has done is immoral. Amos has simply run afoul of a statist government, saying, You have to follow our regulations if you want to serve your neighbor.
00:12:18:22 - 00:12:42:21
Chris
And this is really the bane of manmade law in America. We elect these officials. And I think one of the worst things we do, whether we vote Democrat or Republican, is we assume and we continue this idea that they can just make law and they have the authority to tell us, you know, if we made a law. So therefore, now you have to follow this regulation.
00:12:42:23 - 00:12:48:11
Chris
And that's that's an affront, a violation of biblical law.
00:12:48:13 - 00:13:16:25
Marty
And not only is an affront to biblical law, but the state's interjection between these peer to peer transactions with willing participants is completely counterproductive, because you look at the state, particularly the agricultural industry in the United States, it's hyper centralized. The end product is frankly unhealthy for people. We have diabetes rates at all time highs with childhood diabetes rates at all time highs.
00:13:16:27 - 00:13:47:21
Marty
Life expectancy is falling here in the United States. Heart disease is leading killer, one of the top three leading killers. Now it's Vietnam, I believe, but heart disease is still up there in the States. Interjection in this market has not produced a positive outcome for all of society, yet they keep doubling, tripling, quadrupling, down to the point where, again, they're attacking an Amish community that is sort of had this unwritten agreement with the rest of society in the United States, like, Hey, leave us alone, we're going to do our thing.
00:13:47:21 - 00:14:10:18
Marty
And that's been going pretty well and good for many decades now. And now they seem to be grasping for more here. And again, the outcome has been completely counterproductive and a net negative for society overall. We need more decentralized, distributed regenerative farmers in the world, particularly in the U.S. And the government is directly attacking that right now.
00:14:10:20 - 00:14:30:22
Chris
Right. Yeah. And there's a passage in the Bible. It says the fallow ground of the poor would yield much food, but it is swept away through injustice. So you have this idea of and, you know, somebody might say, well, Amos Miller, he's not a really tiny, tiny farmer, but in the grand scheme of things, he's a small farmer compared to the huge industrial commercial producers.
00:14:30:25 - 00:14:51:17
Chris
I would say he's probably one of the the bigger of the small farmers. So he's the target of the government because if they can shut him down now, then they can go next. I mean, and if you think, you know, you got to even smaller operation than Amos Miller's and you think you're safe, you're not. Unless the people oppose this and resist this tyranny.
00:14:51:19 - 00:15:16:27
Chris
And you're right, it's completely counterproductive. And that's why the scripture over and over again talks about how when, when when tyrants oppress the poor and they exact taxes on the grain, it hurts. It hurts everybody. And, you know, it's just very interesting to hear, you know, overwhelmingly I'm hearing a ton of support for Amos. But there are people that are still out there saying, you know, you just got to it's got to follow the government regulations here.
00:15:17:00 - 00:15:50:24
Chris
And that's another problem that people think the government actually cares about. Our safety actually cares about our health when we have, you know, not not to mention the vaccine that was pushed by by government bureaucrats, not to mention that millions of babies are murdered via abortion, you know, with the approving nod of government officials, all the commercial products with all the the additives and the chemicals they have no problem with any of that stuff, because at the end of the day, you know, those companies are lobbying them, they're paying their corporate taxes, they're benefiting.
00:15:50:27 - 00:16:14:20
Chris
The government doesn't care about our health and our safety. What they want is control and they want compliant subjects. And Amos Miller represents the antithesis of that. He represents the antithesis of the nanny state. The nanny state wants us to basically have no other option but to buy the slop that the government mandates. It's the same as education, actually, my pastor Joel was talking about this.
00:16:14:22 - 00:16:36:09
Chris
It's the same thing with education. The government wants you to have no other option than to send your kids to the government schools. They want that to be the only choice you have and your children to consume that ideological slop in the government classrooms. It's the same thing they want with the food. They want you to have no choice but to go to a government, approved a food producer and eat that slop.
00:16:36:10 - 00:16:54:03
Chris
And many Americans, thankfully, are still are not willing to give that up. But I'm concerned, Marty, that many Americans are and that I'm just not sure where we're at as a nation and where this is going to go. And if we can't if we don't have the freedom to eat and choose what we eat, we really don't have freedom less.
00:16:54:03 - 00:16:58:23
Chris
This is not in many ways, this is no longer the land of the free.
00:16:58:25 - 00:17:20:04
Marty
I mean, choosing what you eat. I mean, energy is the basis of life, and food provides that energy to humans to allow us to go toil and work throughout the economy. And if we're not allowed to choose the energy that we're putting into our bodies, what autonomy do we have, if anything? Like everything you just mentioned there, like the government is a well-oiled machine.
00:17:20:04 - 00:17:44:14
Marty
You get the education, the food industry and the farm industry, particularly in this triangle, I would say, that are tightly knitted. You have the education and the education system feeding you the food pyramid, which is actively just complete B.S. It's here learning you got to eat ten servings of grain a day. Don't eat meat, don't eat butter. You know, all these saturated fats.
00:17:44:16 - 00:18:02:07
Marty
You're learning that in school and then you're going to the shopping center and you've got all this industrial sludge, the soy slop, if you will. And then on the back end, when that waste slop gets you nice and sick and off you go to the health care system with big pharma behind it to feed you all these pills that never really make you better.
00:18:02:07 - 00:18:29:09
Marty
They just maintain and keep you a client in all of this, as you alluded to, is filled by the donors that are that are donating to the politicians to get elected. And so this is really tight knit operation, well-oiled machine fueled by a lot of money on the back end with special interests that is leading America as a society astray.
00:18:29:12 - 00:18:45:10
Marty
We're dumber than ever or unhealthier than ever, and Big Pharma is reaping the benefits by pushing these pills and these shots that really don't do anything but make people customers for life at the end of the day.
00:18:45:12 - 00:19:04:28
Chris
Right, Right. Yeah. And there's a lot of different things we could talk about here, Marty, that come up with this case. I mean, and maybe I'll start with a few of them here or start with one of them. The idea that, you know, consuming raw milk or other raw products is dangerous. You know, you can have your opinions on that.
00:19:04:28 - 00:19:13:02
Chris
I've been drinking raw. I've been drinking raw milk for over ten years now. My children have been drinking raw milk. We've been interjecting milk.
00:19:13:05 - 00:19:44:12
Marty
Can I interject for one second? The whole this is a Hegelian dialectic. The whole concept of even calling it raw milk in the first place is a propaganda technique. It was just milk until about a century ago, when I believe, as Rockefeller sort of dictated, that you need to pasteurized milk and then milk that was milk for millennia turn into raw milk and you put this label on it that has this negative connotation that scares people away from it.
00:19:44:12 - 00:19:46:06
Marty
It's just milk.
00:19:46:08 - 00:20:02:07
Chris
That's a that's a great point. I had never thought of that. Of course, I had often made the argument that we'd been drinking raw milk for thousands of years, but to your point, it wasn't called raw milk because that was all there was. I'd never heard of put like that. And that's that's, that's a great way to put it.
00:20:02:10 - 00:20:22:26
Chris
And in the end, any time you consume any product, there is there's a level of risk. And again, the government you see I mean, there's hundreds and thousands of cases of food poisoning, if you will, different illnesses and, you know, I'm not making light of anybody getting sick, but I've made some food choices before where, you know, it really upset my stomach.
00:20:22:26 - 00:20:45:21
Chris
I got pretty sick. But that was my choice. And I think there might have been some benefits to that. You have different philosophies on food and nutrition and microbes and bacteria and how you can develop nuanced immunity to different things. And if we want to be free, we need the freedom to make those choices. But I've been drinking milk, put it like that the natural way for ten years.
00:20:45:24 - 00:21:16:02
Chris
And it has not made me sick. You know, my children have been drinking it. And but people out there that are opposed to this sort of thing, they have given up their responsibility. They have given up their self-government. And it was William Penn, actually the founder of Pennsylvania, where all this is happening. You know, I'm here in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and William Penn said, you know, if we won't be governed, I'm going to paraphrase this, If we won't be governed by God, will be ruled by tyrants, something to that effect.
00:21:16:05 - 00:21:42:25
Chris
You know, if we won't be self-governed under the law of God, we are going to be ruled by tyrants. And for many Americans, they do not want the responsibility of making their own food choices. They want the government to tell them this is safe, this is unsafe. And what's even perhaps more concerning is that they trust the government to make those choices for them, that people still I mean, you know, you're probably like me, Marty.
00:21:42:25 - 00:22:07:29
Chris
I mean, I didn't trust the government years before 2020 because years ago they were telling me it's not safe to drink milk the way my ancestors had for thousands of years. But people still, I think for many people, 2020 has just increased their utter compliance and really acceptance of a slave state where the state has become God. And that's really what this is.
00:22:07:29 - 00:22:27:04
Chris
Here is the state. God does whatever the state says go, or is there a higher standard that we have a recourse to? And I would argue, and I'm not sure the perspective that you have on the show, but I would argue that in the end here, we have to go to something even higher than the American tradition and the Constitution.
00:22:27:08 - 00:22:46:18
Chris
We have created the system. I'd argue with all these bureaucracy, all these departments, all this manmade law. And in the end, we have to say, look, this what the government is doing here, they must. MILLER It is evil defined by the eternal word of God, and we need to oppose it. And that's where we need to be really spending a lot of time thinking right now.
00:22:46:20 - 00:23:11:15
Marty
And paraphrase one of the founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson. Like, if a law is unjust, it is your duty to disobey. I think we are we are at that point here in the United States particularly. It's really disheartening, too, because you replace God, actual God with the state as your God. The is not really an inspiring God at the end of the day at all.
00:23:11:18 - 00:23:16:19
Marty
It's very and they don't do anything right. They waste money.
00:23:16:22 - 00:23:36:23
Chris
The state wants to the state wants to make you a slave and take your children and sacrifice them on the altar of convenience. States like like Mo, like the ancient deities that, you know, the Israelites were tempted to worship these pagan nations. Give us your children, give us your money, give us your obedience, and we'll make your life miserable.
00:23:37:00 - 00:23:39:23
Chris
And that's what that's what the state does.
00:23:39:26 - 00:24:00:07
Marty
You know, you mentioned one thing there, convenience. I think that's really the biggest hurdle that we have here, is that life today seems convenient. It's very easy to pick up your phone, get on the Internet, interact with people on Twitter, you know, the shopping center, you know, the grocery store. You have all this food there. You don't have to go to the farm or, you know, to go to the farmer's market.
00:24:00:07 - 00:24:21:00
Marty
You have everything you perceive you could want in the many aisles in a grocery store with money, you have access to a bank account and apps like Venmo and PayPal, and you can send and receive money as long as you're not doing particular things on social media and get on YouTube, you can get on Twitter, you can broadcast your thoughts out to the world.
00:24:21:00 - 00:24:44:04
Marty
Unless there are certain thoughts doing right, doing things the hard way. I think one thing we've we've had a Texas slim Cobalt who runs K and C cattle ranch down here in Austin. We've had them on a bunch of times. And what they're really working on is a thing called the Beef initiative. And their their motto is get out and shake a rancher's hand.
00:24:44:08 - 00:25:12:20
Marty
It's really overcome that convenience of going to Whole Foods or going to the grocery store to buy your beef and to go the extra mile, meet your local rancher, shake his hand and buy beef directly from him. But the sort of crux of that is foregoing that convenience that exists, and that's one thing that Americans who are dumb, fat and happy, quote unquote happy, think they're happy right now, sort of anchor to is the convenience of the modern world.
00:25:12:22 - 00:25:39:03
Marty
I think that's the big hurdle we have to get over. How do we engender people to develop a sense of agency and good will to go the extra mile to figure out the convenience, to do the right thing, to get the healthy food, to get the good education, to get proper preventative health care. I think that it's not a question, but just a statement about the state of the United States of America right now.
00:25:39:06 - 00:26:12:07
Chris
Yeah, yeah, we have we have a lot of work to do. I'm sure you there's a lot other things you could mention as well. But there's another part of this that to me is probably even more discouraging than the fact that we have created this manmade system, this status system, where every year, whether it's Harrisburg, the capital of Pennsylvania or Washington, D.C., the capital of the nation, we just have hundreds and hundreds of more laws being created over and over again, just tightening the grip of tyranny.
00:26:12:09 - 00:26:38:27
Chris
That's concerning enough. But all of that is enabled or the tyranny that ensues from that is enabled not by the legislators, not by the governors, not by, you know, anybody up there at these high levels that we elect. And then we talk about, well, here's the important thing. You know, we got to elect someone else. All of this is enabled by ordinary people like you might have seen in those videos I shared.
00:26:39:02 - 00:27:07:21
Chris
You know, there's about ten people there inside Amos Miller's farm. None of those people, from my understanding, were elected officials. None of them are high ranking people. There's three state troopers and seven employees of the Department of AG, if I understand it. You know, probably just people with families, you know, just ordinary men and women who, you know, maybe maybe went to college for some sort of environmental degree biology, got a job at the Department of Agriculture or the state troopers.
00:27:07:21 - 00:27:30:10
Chris
You know, we don't want to go out there and make a difference or just get a paycheck. Those are the people that are enforcing tyranny in our nation. Those are the people. And this is this is the concern we have in our nation. We have the churches used to lead the way. You go back to, you know, the Black Robe Regiment and the American War for Independence.
00:27:30:12 - 00:27:50:24
Chris
You had this idea that pastors would be out there calling on people to apply the Bible to to all of life. Did we do it perfectly? No, but we've completely lost that. And now you have these people that many of them probably you know, Lancaster County is a very rich has a rich tradition of Christianity, churches on every corner.
00:27:50:27 - 00:28:21:05
Chris
Many of those people I go to church Sunday morning and then during the week, they're rating Amish farmers. And there's just this disconnect in their mind between the truth of the word of God and justice in society and in practice. They are practical statists and the state is their God, and they do whatever the state tells them. So if it's Monday morning and the state says you need to go raid this Amish man's farm, take his food, lock up the rest of his food, they say, Yes, I'll do it.
00:28:21:08 - 00:28:38:22
Chris
And as long as we have Americans who are willing to enforce these mandates, these directives, we really have no hope. But we but there is hope if we can change the hearts and minds of the people. But that's where it needs to start. And so much of this, the focus is on all we get. You know, the presidential elections coming up.
00:28:39:00 - 00:29:00:25
Chris
That's going to change everything. It's not going to change anything if Americans are still willing to be slaves and enslave others. You know, I'm sure people get offended if I use any analogies like this, but I don't really care. You talk about the African slave trade and you had, you know, Africans enslaving their fellow Africans to sell them into slavery.
00:29:00:27 - 00:29:20:03
Chris
And the whole system is corrupt. And we have that in America. We have Americans like these state troopers and Department of AG employees who are basically selling out their neighbors in service of the state. And we get Americans willing to stand up and say, no, you know what? I'm not going to follow this order. There's a higher standard.
00:29:20:07 - 00:29:25:02
Chris
We will have tyranny is what the Nazis said. I'm just following orders. And that's what these state troopers will say.
00:29:25:05 - 00:29:49:16
Marty
Yeah, yeah. The Army of Karens in in our midst, that will all enslave their fellow American at the at the direction of their state leaders. But I think that's something important to really dig into. Like how much of the Karen Army going out there and taking orders is driven by fear, which is rooted in the belief that the state is all powerful.
00:29:49:16 - 00:30:12:23
Marty
And if you do not listen, you will face retribution. And is there actual power behind that or is it all a big projection game? Like do we have the ability to push back against the state? I think that's what a lot of Americans, again, driven by fear. They don't think that we have any recourse to push back against the state.
00:30:12:26 - 00:30:30:16
Chris
Right. Well, yeah, you mentioned a couple of things there. I mean, one, you mentioned earlier about this idea of complacency. And of course, you had the concept of bread and circuses. You know, in the Roman Empire where you keep the people entertained and fed and they'll be compliant. And we see something of that, from what I understand in China.
00:30:30:16 - 00:30:58:08
Chris
I mean, just just keep the people numb, give them all the entertainment. Given the pornography. And, you know, they'll be they'll be willing slaves to the state. The only way this is going to change, I'm convinced, is is if you have and maybe it's a small group of people and a lot of things start small, but you have people who are living for something more than their own satisfaction, their own convenience, and I believe that can only happen through the gospel of Jesus Christ.
00:30:58:10 - 00:31:31:15
Chris
You're going to have people who say, Look, my greatest purpose, my purpose in life is not to be at ease. My purpose in life is to honor Christ. And that includes loving my neighbor. And if I love my neighbor, you know, an Amos Miller, in a sense, the proverbial neighbor, even though he's not across the street from me, if I love my neighbor, not only Amos, but also the thousands of customers who buy their food from him because they want to be healthy if I love my neighbors, if I love if I love them and want to see justice is done, then I have to oppose injustice.
00:31:31:17 - 00:31:53:26
Chris
And that's what we're missing in modern Christianity, in modern America. This idea that, well, I'm just going to go about my business and my you know, my religion is just private to me. That's not how the Old Testament prophets talk. That's not how the New Testament speaks. We are to see that justice is done. And if we care about our neighbors, we are going to want to see justice established.
00:31:53:29 - 00:32:17:23
Chris
But to your other point about the fear, the thing is, at the end of the day, tyrants only have power if they have people willing to enforce their mandates. And we need I think we need a group of Americans who, one, are willing to to resist and practice civil disobedience, to say, you know, we're not following these mandates.
00:32:17:25 - 00:32:39:19
Chris
And if you want to arrest Amos Miller, you're going to have to arrest all of us. But there is there is a sense there is a risk here. I mean, because you have enough you call them Karens and I call them, you know, slaves of the state or, you know, robotically going in there. Those people, as long as to them, what's more important to them is their own security.
00:32:39:21 - 00:33:13:11
Chris
If that's more important than justice and righteousness, then those of us who do want to oppose this stuff, there is a risk that we are going to be locked up in prison. And there's no point in in hiding that. But as long it but that can change if the America if Americans say we're not going to to follow and enforce these mandates, if enough people like see, Amos Miller's been sticking his neck out for decades, if enough people were willing to do that, I don't think the state would even have the wherewithal and the capacity to, you know, shut it down.
00:33:13:14 - 00:33:32:02
Chris
But in many ways. Amos Miller, there's other farmers like him, but in Lancaster County, I'd say he's the biggest one doing this because there are other farmers who are following all the regulations. And some of them, you know, would would, would disapprove of what Amos was doing. But I think they're missing the point that, you know, they have they have given the state an inch.
00:33:32:05 - 00:33:34:04
Chris
The state's not going to be satisfied with that.
00:33:34:08 - 00:34:04:17
Marty
So they give him an inch. They want another inch and they want a mile. They want everything, right. It's they never stop. It's a it's a machine with a lot of momentum behind it. And to your point of civil disobedience and the the security of the enslavers who are paid by the state, I think, again, going back to that security, it's held in that paycheck, too.
00:34:04:19 - 00:34:33:27
Marty
I think this is a particularly interesting inflection point because the economic situation in the United States is systemically fragile. As we know, inflation has really affected the economy pretty acutely over the last two years. And that's what I worry about, is that you have inflation in a pretty bad spot, economic situations in a pretty bad spot. And so the state has all the leverage for the state employees, which is like, Hey, do you want this paycheck?
00:34:33:27 - 00:34:58:13
Marty
Do you want to be able to buy groceries week in and week out? And that will sort of embolden them to go obey the states orders and lock up their neighbors. And that's again, and I'm not sure how familiar with Bitcoin, but that's why this started out as Bitcoin podcasts is why I work in the Bitcoin space and passionate about it, because I think the money is that the root of all of this?
00:34:58:13 - 00:35:37:09
Marty
You can only fund the stupid education that teaches you the pyramid scheme of the the food pyramid. You can only fund all the pharma stuff, you can only fund all the big ag stuff with money that's printed ex nihilo. And if you have the dollar, that's the only currency that you're working for. I'm sort of beholden to that whole monetary policy and that whole monetary system, whereas Bitcoin allows you to sort of take yourself out of that and operate within a monetary system that cannot be controlled by the state or any centralized third party for that matter.
00:35:37:13 - 00:36:09:21
Marty
And that's one thing I know I personally and other Bitcoiners are hoping as we transition towards 2030s, more and more people, particularly people who need it like the Amish and people want to stand up against the state and their encroachment on civil liberties. They notice Bitcoin as this way to fight back and it can provide you the security that the paycheck that the government is paying you to lock up your neighbor and over time, long enough time period period will actually provide you better security.
00:36:09:21 - 00:36:30:26
Marty
And so that's the hope that people recognize this and adopt Bitcoin and that taking that action, many individuals taking that action collectively is enough of a impetus to begin standing up against the state and saying, hey, we don't need your money, we don't need your paycheck. We've got this this money over here in Bitcoin right now.
00:36:30:26 - 00:36:59:07
Chris
I'm not familiar enough to make any comments on Bitcoin, but I will say as as it relates to, you know, the fiat currency, the money that the government just continues to print, another example of an unbiblical practice that leads to inflation, that leads to really theft of the next generation. And so of course, this is just another layer of tyranny where the government comes in and says we're going to control the money supply and we're going to regulate that and basically debase the currency.
00:36:59:10 - 00:37:21:24
Chris
But you mentioned as well, you know, these state employees, you know, just another thing that if Americans this goes back to to the people, I really believe that Americans at this point I would have a hard time justifying, you know, someone working for the state unless they were they said, you know what, I refuse to enforce these things.
00:37:21:24 - 00:37:45:15
Chris
But I think people we need to take a long, hard look. If you are employed by the state government, if you're considering it, think about what you're doing. You know, I'm not going to make a blanket statement, but it's I certainly could not work for the state and have a clean conscience. What they are doing is enforcing man made, unjust evil laws.
00:37:45:15 - 00:38:07:19
Chris
The prophet Isaiah says woe to those who decree iniquitous decrees and the writers who keep writing oppression. That's what our state governments are doing. Even then, even in the reddest state, they are enforcing, they are writing man made laws and they're paying people to enforce them. And as long as Americans want that and are willing to enforce that, we're going to have a hard time at this.
00:38:07:19 - 00:38:31:00
Chris
But if enough Americans are awakened and maybe through shows like yours and say, you know what, we do not want this. We want to be selfish, sponsor evil and stop working for the state. The state has no power. So that goes back to your original question. There's a fear there. Yes. But it's this vicious cycle where where the state says, we're going to we're going to take care of you.
00:38:31:03 - 00:38:45:04
Chris
If you take care of us and go after your neighbors. And until we break that cycle and we're willing to pay something and give up something, our neighbors are going to keep oppressing the righteous.
00:38:45:07 - 00:39:17:23
Marty
Yeah. And it's implodes on itself eventually. We've seen this throughout history. I think we're in a late stage empire situation. And similar to the Roman Empire, I mean, the parallels to the Roman Empire particularly are pretty stark and startling, specifically that the military, like Rome, the base, their currency, added a bunch of bulk metals to their coinage to the denarius slowly over time, and they expanded their military empire and take over most of the world.
00:39:17:23 - 00:39:41:27
Marty
And then it got to a point where they debase their money so much that they were paying their soldiers wasn't worth anything, and they all quit and allowed the barbarians to come in and sack Rome. We had a similar situation here where we're debasing the money. I've read a newsletter about this a week ago. It startled me. First time I've run the numbers in some time, but the United States been around for 248 years.
00:39:42:00 - 00:40:09:29
Marty
68% of the national debt has been accrued in the last 15 years. So 6% of the country's lifetime we've accrued 68% of the debt ballooned from 10.7 trillion in 2008, sitting at 34 trillion today, which is pretty insane. So we've debasing the currency. And if you look around the global geopolitical situation right now, we're expanding our military pretty aggressively.
00:40:09:29 - 00:40:31:13
Marty
We've had some bad losses, particularly in Afghanistan. With the pull out there is pretty pretty embarrassing. And an interesting trend that I picked up on the last couple of months is military members, active military members on an on duty station across the world on TikTok like warning others do not do not join the military because the pay isn't worth it.
00:40:31:13 - 00:40:57:10
Marty
I'm not making enough money. So you're having that direct parallel with the Roman army back in the day where the money, it debased it so much that it's not even worth it. You actively have active duty military members taking the tock to say don't join the army, your paycheck isn't worth it. And I think again, this is why I focus on Bitcoin, particularly because I think money is at the root of all of this.
00:40:57:12 - 00:41:19:18
Marty
The the that is why Jesus went and flipped the tables at the Temple of the moneychangers because they were doing something that is probably one of the worst things you can do as a human. It's probably one of the worst things you can do because it's very sly and imperceptible. It happens slowly over time, and one day you wake up and you have 10% inflation.
00:41:19:21 - 00:41:49:28
Marty
It's impossible to buy a house. The possible to buy a few bags of groceries. And you're like, How did this happen? It's like slowly but surely over time, the government and the central banks kept printing money and debasing you away. And that's what worries me. And going back to the call to action to Americans, particularly, not to obey the government, to go work for the government of a work for the state, number one, the paychecks not going to be worth it, even though they can provide you a consistent one because they can keep printing money to pay your paycheck.
00:41:50:01 - 00:42:08:19
Marty
But it's extremely immoral at the end of the day, because I think it's blatantly clear that the amount of laws has been thrust. The encroachment of the state on civil liberties has gotten to a point where it is a moral situation. It is clearly immoral, at least to me. I think you would agree.
00:42:08:21 - 00:42:34:09
Chris
Yeah. There's no question to me that the system that's been set up by by these government officials is evil. And we find ourselves in it. You know, we find ourselves born into this nation. And and how do we dig out of it? Out of it? So, you know, I understand people right now using the money and saying, but we need to start thinking, you know, time has passed to start thinking about how do we get out of this?
00:42:34:09 - 00:42:57:23
Chris
What do we do? You know, in the meantime, of course, when people live under tyranny, they are subjected to that tyranny. And many Americans, you know, have been working for decades and and everything, all their savings, all their retirement is based on this government dollar that has been debased. And hopefully there are ways around that, not something you work on.
00:42:57:26 - 00:43:22:18
Chris
But yeah, we need to change the hearts and minds of the people because at the core there needs to be an appeal to something higher than the state and. Statism is rampant in America, it's rampant in the churches. And I would define statism as as the civil government, basically claiming for itself that which Christ has given it no authority to do.
00:43:22:21 - 00:43:43:02
Chris
And unless you break that in the American mind, we're really going to get nowhere, because at the end, this is a religious issue. Who's God, who's in charge, who tells us what's right and wrong? If it's a state, if there's no one above a state that says what's right and wrong, if whatever the state says goes, then the state is our God.
00:43:43:05 - 00:44:06:17
Chris
And so, yeah, I was in I served in the military for and my father's in the military. But at this point, I mean, I would counsel anybody or anybody who asks me, I would say, you know what, I wouldn't join the military. In fact, even when I was in, it was very early on as I started to think through these things and civil government and biblical law, and I became very uncomfortable, you know, what are we promoting as a nation?
00:44:06:23 - 00:44:30:18
Chris
You know, we endorse the slaughter of children at abortion mills. You know, we endorse homosexuality, sodomy. We debasing our currency. We are no longer a city on a hill. And until we repent, we are just we are going the way of the Roman Empire. I think it'll be a very you know, it'll be a much shorter arc for America than the Roman Empire.
00:44:30:20 - 00:44:49:12
Marty
And so I think what worries people in getting go makes the convenience of the state and the convenience of life as it stands today or the perceived convenience. I would argue it's over the long run, very inconvenient certainty to the fact that you wound up enslaving yourself. What is.
00:44:49:12 - 00:44:50:22
Chris
The.
00:44:50:24 - 00:45:21:20
Marty
Optimistic case for getting away from the state? Like when people see this and like, oh, the government, yeah, it's it's terrible. But like, what are we going to do? It's so big. It's very entrenched in our everyday lives. Like if it were just to go away tomorrow, it seems like we'd have chaos. Is this true? What is the optimistic vision for a future in which more people stand up disobey, disengage from pushing The states wishes?
00:45:21:22 - 00:45:24:27
Marty
What's the optimistic path forward?
00:45:24:29 - 00:45:52:07
Chris
Yeah, well, believe it or not, I'm very optimistic. I don't know about what's going to happen in my lifetime. But again, at the core of this, for me, at the heart of this, I should say, is the guaranteed victory of the Church of Jesus Christ in the world. And I think any talk about justice, any talk about freedom, any talk about liberty, any talk about righteousness, absent the Christian worldview, is going to crumble completely.
00:45:52:07 - 00:46:21:12
Chris
It is probably going to make us worse off than we are now. And so at the core is we need to, as a people, repent of our sin, you know, individually and corporately for our rejection of Christ in his word. And I think that started long ago in America, even in the 1700s. We need to repent of that because the hope is that these enemy, these are enemies, people who are who are debasing the currency, people who are raiding, you know, Amish farms, those who are supporting abortion.
00:46:21:14 - 00:46:48:09
Chris
These are enemies of Christ. We need we need to revive perhaps, you know, the Christian idea of there are enemies out there. And the Bible says Christ is defeating his enemies in history. First Corinthians 15. So are are we have to start there if we are going to have any optimism about anything changing for the better? Because if we simply replace the state as our God with another manmade God is probably going to be ten times worse.
00:46:48:11 - 00:47:11:18
Chris
But there is great hope in the message of the gospel. And it's not just for me personally, you know, some artistic message. It changes the culture, it changes the world. And we've seen of that over the past 2000 years. We're going through a dark, dark time right now in Western civilization, precisely because we have abandoned the gospel and the law of God.
00:47:11:21 - 00:47:39:07
Chris
Now, what can we do? Small things now to get started? Well, again, I mean, I'm going to overemphasize this. People might say it's not not that important, but the churches in America need to lead the way. If you're in a church where your pastor refuses to address these issues, refuses to apply the Bible to the issue of abortion, to the issue of currency, to the issue of food freedom, you got to get out of there because we are not salt in this world.
00:47:39:07 - 00:47:58:15
Chris
If we're not applying the truth of God's word to these areas, we're not loving our neighbor. So start there, but also start taking responsibility for your own life. My goodness, if you're if you're sending your kids to the government school, start right there. I mean, get them out of there and start teaching them. And you might not think you're qualified.
00:47:58:15 - 00:48:22:03
Chris
I'll tell you what, you're way more qualified than some statists working for, you know, the government. They have an agenda there. They want to indoctrinate your children, educate your own children. Get get in a church where the law of God is applied to society and start you know what? Start making some risks. I know not all of us can go out right away and be like, Hey, I'm going to defy every man made mandate.
00:48:22:06 - 00:48:44:12
Chris
But you know what? We can start small and this is just as important. We can support those people that are defying them. Amos Miller I think what's this? His case is going to hinge on whether or not the community local here and even nationwide gets behind him more than just donating, which is important. You can go to the links to Patriot dot com slash help.
00:48:44:12 - 00:49:01:21
Chris
Amos for more information on that. But because they want to shut him down, they want his business closed. But are we willing to take any risks? Amos has taken a lot of risks over the years. Are we willing to to stand by these people and say, you know what, If you're going to arrest them, you're going to arrest me, too?
00:49:01:24 - 00:49:18:21
Chris
These are things we got to think about. It's going to be small, but but a lot of these things, you know, I don't know how many people were involved in the Boston Tea Party. I don't think it was, you know, thousands of people. Things, you know, sparks that change a nation and change a culture can start with a small group of people.
00:49:18:23 - 00:49:48:14
Chris
But we need to have the foundation of where we're coming from. And that's one concern I have, Marty. I mean that I see I see a lot of discouragement, unrest, frustration, and rightfully so, you know, with the left, for example. But the solution is just is as bad as the problem. It's just more manmade law, more tyranny. And unless we have freedom as defined by God's word, we will have no way of knowing what you know, left from right here.
00:49:48:14 - 00:49:53:03
Chris
And we'll just be digging ourself into a deeper and deeper pit.
00:49:53:05 - 00:50:21:25
Marty
Yeah, Small acts doesn't take much. I believe that was 2%, maybe 3% of the population upwards. Estimates of 10% of the individuals living in the colonies during the time of the American Revolution were the ones that actually brought forth the revolution. A very small minority, the intolerant minority, can have an outsized effect. And I would echo that like we need to, the state should not be our guide.
00:50:22:01 - 00:50:54:05
Marty
I think we have these God given inalienable rights that people have completely forgotten about and just thrown to the wayside. And again, it astonishes me that today people are willing to let the state come in, dictate their lives, make more rules. I mean, as we're hyper focused on this and Bitcoin or an example like Elizabeth Warren and all these politicians trying to demonize Bitcoin and its many people backing them like, yeah, shut it down.
00:50:54:05 - 00:51:24:00
Marty
And for me personally, it's like kidding me, like I as an individual can't have the agency to look at the the market for monetary goods and decide what I think is best for me. The state needs to tell me what what money I can use and the money that they tell me is the only money I can use is being consistently debased and they're taking out ungodly amounts of debt and then using that money to funnel it into education.
00:51:24:00 - 00:51:49:12
Marty
That's making people stupider, more docile into food, that's making us unhealthier, into health care that really doesn't help our health at the end of the day, and most importantly, into endless wars that lead to mass deaths and suffering in other parts of the world. And I don't want that done in my name and in the state and the people cheering the state or saying, no, like Bitcoin is bad.
00:51:49:15 - 00:52:19:05
Marty
You're forced to use this this cookbook, this this petrodollar, this war dollar, if you will. It's insanity. It's literally insane when you get back to first principles and you do wonder, like, does anybody the most people out there even think that they have the potential for agency at the end of the day or where they bought into a system where they think the first principle and sort of fact of life is that the state tells you what to do long remember there.
00:52:19:05 - 00:52:21:06
Marty
But I think no, I mean.
00:52:21:09 - 00:52:47:12
Chris
Yeah, that's where we're at. That's that that's at the heart of it. And I think the reason one of the reasons we are here as a people in America is because long ago we abandoned this idea that the law of God is supreme. And we've said, you know, what our system we've created has become the the most the most important thing.
00:52:47:12 - 00:53:09:22
Chris
I mean, if you went out and talked to people on the streets and said, you know what? What's especially you start talking about politics or government, you know, what's the most important document ever written? They're going to say the US Constitution. And that's a big problem for me because the US Constitution, as great as it was and still is in some ways is not perfect.
00:53:09:22 - 00:53:41:02
Chris
It's not inherent. Only the Word of God is. And when we have generations of people being taught that, you know what, we can't question what the government does because they are they are supreme. Whatever they say is the supreme law of the land, you know, then we're never going to get anywhere. We have to come back to the point where we say the standard above all people, including the US Constitution, is the law, Word of God.
00:53:41:08 - 00:54:14:24
Chris
If it's not, Marty, I would debate anybody that would say, you know what, now we can have justice if we have another standard, we can't. There's no other way unless people submit to the ultimate authority, which is Christ. If not, it's going to be chaos. It always is every time. And you can't you know, if you go the status route and you go even the Republican route, they're going to oppose true freedom because their ultimate standard is not the law of liberty found in scripture.
00:54:14:27 - 00:54:30:23
Chris
It is manmade law. And that is a cruel taskmaster. You know, and and whatever, you know, freedom choices with the food, with money, Bitcoin or anything else, it's going to be opposed because it doesn't serve the interests of the man made government.
00:54:30:26 - 00:54:36:21
Marty
No. And the piles of money behind it in special interest rates.
00:54:36:21 - 00:54:38:23
Chris
Uh, they want the money.
00:54:38:25 - 00:55:03:01
Marty
But again, I think it's a I think it's doomed to implode on itself. I think, as you mentioned, the Bible says God always wins in the end. And hopefully between now and the inevitable implosion of the government, more people can wake up to this is that's what I worry about is if you have a complete implosion and and chaos, if you will, could be bad.
00:55:03:03 - 00:55:21:28
Marty
But hopefully there's a middle ground where people can wake up, notice the government actually isn't as strong as it projects itself to be. You have more power as an individual here, more agency as an individual just takes the courage to speak up, to stand up, to push back. It's really not that hard. It's been done many times throughout history.
00:55:22:00 - 00:55:40:21
Marty
And I think today particularly, we actually had the best opportunity to do this due to the telecommunications, technology and social media. It's a double edged sword. Yeah, it's pretty terrible in lots of ways, but it's also very good in lots of ways because it allows people to instill confidence in each other. Like, Hey, I'm thinking this too. I know you're thinking this.
00:55:40:24 - 00:55:56:07
Marty
It's like the silent majority being like, are you saying this? Or you think, Yes, we're all thinking this. Let's stand up, let's push back. It's time the government has gotten too big, too hubristic, and you're leading everybody astray, making everybody's life worse off. So.
00:55:56:10 - 00:56:06:27
Chris
Yeah, silver lining. Perhaps people will, you know, things like this and where we're at will. Cause, you know, the average American, the the commoner, I think is part of the title of your podcast. Right.
00:56:06:29 - 00:56:07:24
Marty
Truth for the Commoner.
00:56:07:24 - 00:56:25:10
Chris
Yes, Truth for the commoner. I mean, we'll start to wake up. I know there is a period of my life where I really started to say, wait a minute, what's going on here? Is it is it a loving neighbor to to regulate raw milk to to prevent when we had we have five children, at least two of them when they were born.
00:56:25:10 - 00:56:47:11
Chris
The midwife who helped deliver our children was breaking the law. I think she was committing a felony. A felony, I should say, when she was doing that, because the state we were in at the time did not recognize her as a midwife. Meanwhile, babies can be aborted at the Planned Parenthood down the road. So until Americans wait a minute, something's wrong here.
00:56:47:13 - 00:57:09:07
Chris
Love of neighbor is now criminalized and hatred of neighbor is authorized. Something is wrong here. Something's wrong with the money issue. Something's wrong with the food. Something's wrong with the issue of life. We can no longer blindly and we should never have. But we can no longer blindly submit to the state and say, Well, whatever the state says, they're God.
00:57:09:07 - 00:57:30:13
Chris
That's it. It is leading us into a horrible place. So hope, you know, this can help. You know, the work you're doing, the situation with Amos Miller, that that we can have something of a change in the American mind because if not, the tyranny will only increase for our children. And that's the thing people really need to think about.
00:57:30:16 - 00:57:49:21
Chris
If they say, well, yeah, this is bad, but I don't really want to resist that, you're just leaving it for your children, then, you know, if we're not willing to take risks now and oppose this stuff, we're going to make it that much harder for our children to do it. And if we're not setting the example for our children, you know, we're we're failing them.
00:57:49:21 - 00:58:10:05
Chris
And I've talked to I've spoken with people who said, you know, their parents generation, they're part of the problem that got us here. They were complacent. They were at ease. They said, well, we're not going to try to apply the principles of justice and righteousness from the Bible in the civil sphere. We don't want to do that. And now look where we are.
00:58:10:08 - 00:58:17:27
Chris
So we need to start taking action, even if it costs us because it's going to cost our children even more.
00:58:18:00 - 00:58:44:15
Marty
Completely agree. Two young boys myself, I'm thinking that's when I do what I do and don't want them to grow up in a digital slavery because that's what they're trying to push us towards. Chris, thank you for the work that you're doing. The on the ground coverage is very important. I think it's crazy what you can do in the middle of Lancaster County, running right, running your own publication and then it can get out to the world.
00:58:44:15 - 00:59:02:22
Marty
You have Tom Massey tweeting about it. That is, again, the beauty of social media and the beauty of taking agency and put taking the effort to actually get out there and report this as it's going on because we need more eyes on this. So, Chris, thank you for the work that you're doing. Where can anybody who's listening to this find out more about your work?
00:59:02:28 - 00:59:15:12
Marty
How can they follow along with the Atlas Miller Pace and what can they do? I know you mentioned donate, but and we've talked about getting out there to so big, but anything else that we didn't mention that people should be aware of.
00:59:15:14 - 00:59:33:02
Chris
Well yeah I would recommend go to the links or patriot dot com sign up for our email updates. Follow us on Twitter or x Facebook gab. I think there's going to be some more stuff happening very soon that I'm hoping will get even more reach than the initial raid. As unfortunate as that was, it was able to be.
00:59:33:04 - 00:59:52:13
Chris
It was shared with a lot of people. I think something else big is coming up. I think it's going to be exciting. It's going to be an opportunity to resist, to show, you know, the state that people are behind. Amos Miller So make sure you're you're following our accounts, whether it's Twitter or Facebook or just sign up for email updates.
00:59:52:16 - 01:00:11:20
Chris
And this we're not going to stop with this because if we roll over on this, the state keeps going. If they're if they're resisted, then they've really got to think twice before. If it's just Amos Miller they're up against, you know, they might be able to win. But if it's the American people, it's going to be a bit more of a problem.
01:00:11:20 - 01:00:19:11
Chris
So go the extra Patriot dot com and follow us and hopefully we'll have more information, more coverage as we go here.
01:00:19:14 - 01:00:26:23
Marty
Keep crushing across. I think we're going to win. We're going to win slowly but surely if someone gets it. That's all we got today for peace and love. Okay.
