Dr. Mary Talley Bowden exposes COVID-era corruption and calls for medical freedom through decentralization and reform.
In this compelling episode, Dr. Mary Talley Bowden shares her journey as a physician who defied mainstream COVID protocols, framing the pandemic as a bioweapon and the government response as a war on medical freedom. She highlights widespread institutional failure—from censorship of dissenting voices to ongoing vaccine mandates—while exposing how trust in healthcare has eroded due to unaddressed vaccine injuries and concerning lab data. Dr. Bowden criticizes agencies like the FDA and NIH for corruption and entanglement with Big Pharma, advocates for making ivermectin over-the-counter, and calls for a constitutional amendment to protect bodily autonomy. Urging a decentralization of healthcare, she identifies Texas as the frontline in the broader struggle for patient rights and honest medicine.
This episode is a powerful reminder that the consequences of the pandemic are far from over. Dr. Mary Talley Bowden exposes ongoing medical and institutional failures while calling for a decentralized, transparent, and patient-centered healthcare system. Her firsthand experiences and refusal to stay silent underscore the urgent need for reform, accountability, and medical freedom—a message for parents, professionals, and citizens alike.
0:00 - Intro
0:40 - MAHA is shifting away from Covid justice
5:34 - Why vax should be pulled
11:26 - Fold & Bitkey
13:08 - Japan vax death study
16:16 - MDs have lost trust
20:24 - Ivermectin over the counter & and rebranding
25:06 - Unchained Event
25:31 - Should the FDA exist?
32:27 - Escaping corporate medicine
38:19 - Texas is turning blue
48:18 - Texas healthcare and censorship
(00:00) covid is a bioweapon The pandemic was a war The current administration seems to be sweeping the war under the rug It's very obvious to me who's gotten the shots and who hasn't because the antibbody levels are skyhigh That's very concerning and suggests that the spike protein is still active in the body Texas is on the brink of turning blue You know mandates started here I spoke out against the mandates and then they suspended my privileges in a very public fashion It was purposeful They knew if they could get away with the mandates in
(00:32) Texas they could get away with them anywhere Dr Mary Bowden thank you for for joining us It's been a busy morning for you I expect Yeah Started my day with a summons It's a first Is that in relation to the ongoing trial with the medical board yes So they were awarded summary judgement which basically means that the judges looked at the evidence denied me a hearing and decided I was guilty And so now I get to appear before them on Zoom because they are still in pandemic mode Nothing is done in person anymore Uh to determine my punishment
(01:25) And is there is that the the final sort of judgment is there an appeal process well I'm going to appeal I mean because this this was through a state office of administrative hearing which yeah 90 95% of the time they side with the government So it's not it's supposed to be fair but I don't think it's fair No Neither do I especially in 2025 with all the information we have And that's why I wanted to have you on is because I I think with this un incoming administration um the Trump administration obviously reached over
(02:07) the aisle brought uh Bobby Kennedy into the administration running on this Maha movement which has really shifted towards preventative health Um but I was highly encouraged at the beginning of the Maha movement particularly to get some sort of justice as it pertains to what I would consider crime against humanity that were levied on society from 2020 on whether it was the economic lockdowns the prevention of enabling doctors like yourself to to give preventative medicines like Ivormectin um hydroxychloricquin uh and then obviously
(02:46) ly uh the vaccine roll out which I was highly skeptical of in the beginning and just have I'm not even skeptical anymore I think the data is pretty clear that this is something that should not be on the market Um and the fact that you're having to go through what you're going through personally considering where public sentiment is is is mindboggling to me Yeah it's discouraging But I look at this as a war I mean COVID is a bioweapon The pandemic was a war And we're five years into the war I guess my biggest concern is we don't have a
(03:24) treaty And uh the current administration seems to be sweeping the war under the rug I mean this is a topic that directly impacted every single American So we just must keep talking and must keep fighting Yeah And it's funny because Cali Means was blowing up on X yesterday for his uh fireside chat I guess you will at some Politico event it seemed like in the room of big pharma lobbyist Um but the topic of the conversation was about um the cuts that have been made recently at the FDA the NIH and other agencies in
(04:06) the federal government Um and it seems like there again the shift of maja has become more like preventative fix the food We need to make sure that kids and individuals don't need medicine ultimately because they have good health in the first place and and like you said the the conversation the big elephant in the room about vaccines has been completely swept under the rug Do you have any sort of thoughts on why that is well everybody assured me we just need to get Trump into office We just need to get Kennedy appointed and then we'll
(04:45) start talking about the elephant in the room But unfortunately that has not happened And in my opinion it's purposeful It's a misdirection strategy uh it's you know it could possibly be funded by big pharma uh to you know focus everybody's attention on processed foods and you know I am not against that message and I have told the interested parties and I'm not spoken to Cali about this directly I support their message but they will not support ours means will not go on record to state that the COVID shot should be off the market and
(05:22) I've had oral I've had written in conversations with him and uh I just find that mindboggling and the only explanation at this point is it it's purposeful Yeah And if you had to put forth the argument for why it should be removed from the market what what would that be i've never seen anything like this with any other product on the market I mean if this were a new antibiotic that had been rolled out and I'd seen the sort of injuries that I've seen with these COVID shots I mean it would have been yanked off a long time ago I it's all risk no
(06:01) benefit We have very effective early treatment Uh we're basically vaccinating a cold at this point I'm seeing very concerning lab numbers So I'm I'm checking spike protein antibbody levels in patients who asks to get checked and it's very obvious to me who's gotten the shots and who hasn't because the antibbody levels are skyhigh in these patients and they haven't had a shot in years and antibodies are supposed to wayne with time That's normally what happens And then you know they'll stabilize but they don't remain you know
(06:38) I'm seeing 25,000 which is crazy And in somebody that hasn't been vaccinated it's typically under a thousand That's very concerning It suggests that the spike protein is still active in the body either just never went away or it's still being produced Um and then you they have they expect all babies all babies to get three mRNA shots by the time they're nine months old Uh it's still under EUA status for children under 12 Uh we don't know the long-term implications of vaccinating children who their cells are rapidly dividing as they
(07:19) are growing and we have um suspicions that these shots could be causing cancer Uh so it's alarming and you know the FDA typically will put a blackbox warning on a medication after five deaths It will pull the product after 50 deaths Well according to VES we have over 38,000 deaths attributed to these shots And we know VES is a gross underestimation of what's really going on This is this is I mean this it's such a problem for for me personally like I have I have uh I have two boys right now five and almost three and my wife's
(08:00) pregnant with our third and this is a big conversation we're having in the household right now which is our our oldest is getting ready to go to kindergarten we have all these EUA mandates and we're having to have the hard conversation of of what are we going to do and when it comes to the CO shot specifically it's they're not getting it Um and it's really unfortunate that the government and big pharma the federal agencies associated with health um for some reason or another do not want to confront this and are forcing uh parents
(08:37) to they're forcing undue stress on on parents throughout the country and throughout the world where where these mandates still exist in other places as well Yeah I'm curious is your pediatrician pushing them no we're we're um we have a a private a private pediatrician that we pay like a monthly due to similar to to your setup Um we were very early to get on that train because we we recognized that when we when we had our second child down here in Texas our first was born in New York um uh the OB like leading up before our
(09:16) second was even born was was already talking about the schedule and what was happening and we just didn't feel comfortable with it and went and found a private practice That's good You're fortunate because uh you know that 9 million American children have gotten the latest version of a shot 9 million That's hard to believe It is and and like you said the you're seeing the antibbody levels at 25,000 and people that haven't had the shot and it's been years since they've had the shot and that's I think that's the scariest thing is the the unknown
(09:48) long-term consequences of this right now we're 3 to four years post the first wave of the shots and I I think many people got the first two and then you had a precipitous fall off and the amount of people decided to keep getting the boosters and so if if you're seeing people who got two shots maybe three four with these antibbody levels three to four years after the fact like is there the potential that that just continues into perpetuity well definitely I mean I think you know if you haven't had a shot in four years
(10:22) and your antibbody levels are 25,000 that just doesn't make sense Um but you know it's the NIH It's their job to to fix this to look into it uh to figure out what's going on and and to find an antidote I mean that's what's frustrating is uh there are a handful of doctors and I'm one of them trying to help these the injured and there there's just not enough research There's not enough resources for doctors like myself uh we are you know we just don't have enough information and I you I had the best luck with Ivormect
(11:04) uh but even you know there's it's expensive for patients too and you're you're you're basically just trying a variety of things and hoping some things will work and usually you can get some improvements but it's uh some some of these patients are incredibly challenging and their lives have been destroyed um so we really need the NIH age to step up Sup freaks Do you have a credit card are you getting cash back or airline points or points for some other service guess what those are coins You want to be stacking Bitcoin And I have some
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(13:03) world Use the key TFTC 20 at checkout for 20% off your order That's bit.world code TFTC20 In your mind outside of the higher levels of antibodies that you're seeing in people that got the shot years ago what is another smoking like we had Kevin McCern and we were dissecting the paper that came out of Japan that was swiftly pulled from uh the publisher after our discussion about the um distribution the change in the distribution of cancer types in individuals in Japan after the vaccine roll out in 2021 And I think that to me was some signal that people should be
(13:42) highlighting and saying "Hey something something happened here in recent years where you have a normal distribution of the types of cancer that existed before 2021 and that has shifted um since then And oh by the way the the cancers that are um beginning to increase in frequency are in parts of the body where it seems like this uh spike protein is congregating right yeah I would be interested I did not even see that study Uh so it was wiped Is that is that what you're saying and just do they give a reason or they
(14:21) just said it's just and that was recent It was white two months ago We recorded with Kevin I believe beginning of the year And um yeah it was a it was a pre-print Pre-print There we go I was going to say preliminary but it was a pre-print It had been peer-reviewed Um and it got wiped And that and that highlights another sort of problem of this interweb interwoven web of of corruption You have big pharma with their incentives you have the government um with a lot of people in big pharma planted in important places and then the
(14:58) whole research side of things where I think that's what Kevin and I have discussed in our multiple conversations over the last year is this corruption of the research and the inability of people to get access to quality data because there are political reasons or political sort of incentive incentives that exist in that arena as well that that don't allow information that the government doesn't want out there to actually see the light Yeah I I've been trying I I've been hearing about a bunch of uh pancreatic cancers um and you know
(15:35) just friends family that sort of thing And tried to find like the most recent data on pancreatic cancer and couldn't And um when you go to the American Cancer Society's website they have this nice graph showing you know this huge drop in cancer death from cancer and then it stops in 2022 and there's nothing And I find that interesting like why did that graph stop um why you know there I think you can get the cancer data but to to lay it out nicely so it's easy to interpret is purposely difficult And bringing this back to what happened
(16:18) earlier this week with the I don't want to say decimation but the the cuts at the FDA the NIH Um do you think that's a move in the right direction get get the people because that's the other thing The FDA specifically you have people in the FDA that that revolving door to big pharma exists And is that something that you think is a good signal that they're trying to get the the bad actors with corrupt incentives out of the agencies and after that point you can begin to actually make structural change and begin having this conversation
(16:58) Definitely I mean I kind of thought they'd start from scratch I'm actually surprised you know it's been so controversial that they would be firing people I just uh I don't obviously know much about the political process and how that works but I you know I was actually surprised that they would even consider keeping anybody from uh the agencies in the prior administration I mean we it's as corrupt as it's ever been in my opinion Yeah And it's it's crazy how quickly the amnesia has set in about what what happened
(17:34) between 2020 and I would say 2022 specifically the the traumatization of the economic lockdowns the inability to have um early treatment and the taking away bodily autonomy from the government And I think it's insane how quickly people have moved on And today the big topic in the news is tariffs And there are certainly larger issues that exist outside of the realm of the pandemic and the reaction to the pandemic from uh the FDA and the medical establishment But uh this is not something that we can simply gloss over and brush under the
(18:20) rug because again as you as you mentioned the ramifications of what took place are are still manifesting today And it's not it doesn't seem like something where you can just put your head in the sand and brush it under the rug If we continue on this path like how if we continue on this path how bad do you think it can get well the biggest issue I see in my practice is the lack of trust So people are terrified to go to the hospitals They don't trust any doctors Um and with good reason unfortunately Um and so if
(19:00) if the government wants to help restore that trust then we can't sweep it under the rug It's just like a a festering wound And uh we ignore it It's just going to get worse And so we need transparency We need accountability In my opinion we need a constitutional amendment to protect bodily autonomy Uh there are a lot of states working on this and it's been a big struggle I mean you would think it's common sense right that you can't mandate anything that on a person that um has a risk right that there's a risk
(19:40) that you can't force somebody to undergo any sort of medical treatment or medical procedure That's that's pretty basic and common sense And yet that was violated during the pandemic And uh if we you know by not stopping them by just pretending it didn't happen we just embolden them And uh there will most likely be another pandemic Um hopefully not anytime in the near future but uh we just embolden them by doing nothing Um so we need you know if it were up to me there would be a constitutional amendment Apparently that's I looked
(20:18) into this There have been 11,000 amendments proposed and only 27 have passed So it's a big endeavor Uh but we need that We need the mRNA shots to be pulled off the market and we need to make ivormectin over the counter Well in that last point it seems like there's been some progress at the state level at least to to make ivormectin available over the counter I think I saw you tweeting Idaho is moving a bill through their state legislature to make this possible Yeah there there are 14 states that have bills uh that are under
(20:53) consideration and Arkansas recently passed a bill Tennessee already passed it in 2022 And there are nuances So it's going to be hard to put the medication next to the Tylenol bottles Uh in these instances you do have to get it from a pharmacist but you don't have to get a prescription from the doctor So it's it's you know it's not as easily accessible as I would like And the only way to make that happen is is the FDA would make it over the counter Then it could you could put it on the shelf next to Tylenol U but this is the next best
(21:31) step So um the people in Tennessee do are able to access the medication more easily than the people in Texas And I still have problems um getting Ivormectin for my patients And I don't I just don't bother sending the prescription to Walgreens or CVS anymore because of all the push back I've gotten So I send it to an independent pharmacy which is fine but it's not covered by insurance They're not open on weekends usually uh creates extra steps for me because I have to you know enter in a new pharmacy and um it's just
(22:08) unnecessary I mean this drug is safer than Tylenol Well that's a I've heard so many anecdotal stories outside of CO I mean I took Ivormectin um in 2021 I got I got CO I got a I got I think the Delta variant was that one that was the bad one I got that pretty bad um in the first couple days um were hard Then I got my hands on ivormect and had to go to a mom and pop pharmacy in South New Jersey where I was at the time to get it But within a couple days I was back on my feet feeling good and for co it seems obvious to me that was working
(22:49) for many people But then you hear about these use cases It was it's been described as as a miracle drug I have a friend who had um really bad acne breakout on his face and it would persisted for years and he tried everything in the book to um to make it go away and then one day he had a conversation with the doctor said why don't we try ivormectin took ivormectin within a month his face was completely clear and so the the sort of range of things that ivormectin seems to treat seems pretty broad and seems like it'd be something
(23:24) that we would want to have um easy access to as uh as individuals that are looking to take care of these ailments that again are broad This may be a stretch but it's probably easier to access Vicodin than it is ivormectin most states Um so yeah it's pretty crazy It has 21 mechanisms of action uh a lot of anti-inflammatory mechanisms of action and it has virtually no side effects So it really is a miracle drug and it would be wonderful to see some states lead the way and make it over the counter Yeah And is it simply because big pharma
(24:11) can't make enough money off of it do you think that's why you know part of it is the FDA I mean the FDA branded it They uh they put out that horse tweet and with the attractive healthcare worker nuzzling the horse and says "Seriously y'all you're not a horse You're not a cow Stop it.
(24:32) " And that tweet went viral That was uh late August 2021 And that's right after that Joe Rogan got you know smeared and uh I actually sued the FDA over that and won and they had to take down their misinformation online Uh but unfortunately you know the brand lives on And I think the FDA in addition to making it over the counter they need to issue a statement a public statement saying that no you know Ivormectin is intended for humans and is very safe Uh and basically they need to rebrand Ivormectin The new administration is pushing hard for government efficiency
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(25:30) com/tc That's unchained.com/tc Well should the FDA exist in the first place do you think i think this is a question that many people are asking Well I mean you do want somebody to regulate the safety of drugs I would say that because but um yeah I'm actually getting ready to sue the FDA again They they they've they've you know they're too big for their bridges at this point They're overstepping their bounds So in this situation what we're doing it's um it's a drug company that has a great off label use for their product and it's
(26:07) very safe Uh the data looks great in terms of effectiveness but the FDA is very uh slow to give them the indication And if they don't have the FDA indication they can't advertise it They can't inform doctors they can't inform potential patients about you know the off label use So I'm going to join this company and sue the FDA to allow them to educate people about off label uses of medications uh because repurposed drugs I mean that's what we relied on during the pandemic that say you know in my experience if people used these
(26:48) medications early they survived and we could have saved so many people's lives by using these repurposed offlabeled drugs and it's important that um the FDA doesn't stand in that in in the way of I mean that's it's just a it's a new avenue Uh it's actually much more affordable too uh to use drugs that we already have in different ways instead of reinventing the wheel and coming you know it's very expensive to develop drugs and if we can find drugs that are already out there um that can work in other ways that would it'd be wonderful
(27:27) Yeah No No as it pertains to the the FDA I mean Peter Teal said too many people focus on the inputs of anything whether it's a company um sports whatever it is people focus on the inputs of what goes in Nobody really what you should be focusing on is the outputs If you look at the output of the FDA um the inputs are pedigrees degrees people with experience of big pharma and publicly for people who are not as attuned as to what's actually going on in in the sphere of of medicine That looks good The inputs look good Look at
(28:04) this prestige that that is building up at the FDA and look at all these um papers and and website articles they're putting up When you actually look at the output the advice that they were giving whether it was the mask social distancing um we need to we need to um we need to flatten the curve Uh Ivormeact off the shelves you can't take that No hydroxychloroquin take this experimental mRNA vaccine The outputs are objectively abhorent And that's only as it pertains to CO Another thing personally again um baby formula like the like you the
(28:43) only FDA approved baby formula is filled with seed oils and crap that really um is is not good for children Then you have something like serenity kids which is is no seed oils like pure grass-fed um cow milk I believe and they're not allowed to say that their their formula is is good for for toddlers and infants because it's not technically FDA approved So if I look at just those examples that are pertinent to my life specifically it's like the outputs of what the FDA uh is producing are not beneficial to me
(29:24) and my family specifically Actually they're harmful in a way um very harmful uh objectively And I I would agree I think it is very important Uh division of labor exists for a reason and you don't want people simply putting things on the market that could be harmful to individuals But I think it's clear that the outputs of the FDA are are a net negative for the United States populace overall And it seems like maybe this isn't a problem that the federal government should be solving I think in general the federal government needs to
(30:02) ease away from the doctor patient relationship and telling pe people what to do about their health and you know minimally involved in health Um and because we saw what happened during the pandemic it was so mismanaged and you know we had bureaucrats dictating how doctors would treat patients and these bureaucrats were you know sitting in their bedrooms over Zoom calls deciding what the standard of care was I mean it's completely absurd Um and so we never want to see that again But you know they have discredited themselves so much that
(30:43) you know I don't know if it matters what they say anymore Uh anybody with common sense is going to ignore them Yeah Are you seeing more common sense amongst your peers it's hard to know I mean it seems like on X I see a lot more doctors following me and commenting than I have before that you know names I don't recognize which is encouraging Uh I do have people you know doctors reach out to me um here and there you know on a you know like they stop by my office or they call that sort of thing which is nice Um it but I do think there's still
(31:22) a a large contingent of doctors out there that still don't get it Um and you know haven't really learned anything unfortunately Um and I I do worry about our young doctors the people in the in the medical schools um and in training because you know those academic centers are the most rigid in their thinking Uh and it's just a ripe atmosphere for um you know brainwashing and uh you know in training you you're you're trained to comply Uh and it's it's I'm never been in the military but I imagine it's similar you're just you stay in line and
(32:03) you don't deviate outside the lines and um that's concerning Uh but yeah I I just think it's um we'll see what happens I mean the the new administration has the potential to change the course of that Uh but it just depends on what they want to do And right now it just seems like they're talking about red dyes and processed food And for the students studying uh medicine right now is it somewhat of a funnel to the um very corporate medical system where you have these big behemoths of corporateowned hospital systems and and
(32:46) um pediatric practices that basically get a mandate from up above up above from corporate headquarters which is typically um typically corrupted by close ties to big pharma and insurance companies Well 98% of doctors are employed 77% are employed by a hospital 20% are employed by a insurance company or a private equity group and 2% are employed by the government So that leaves 1% who are truly independent and you know thirdparty free That's what I call myself because I don't contract with insurance companies hospitals or the
(33:25) government And the only people I work for are my patients but that is a rare breed unfortunately And the government could encourage more doctors to go this route Um and they could encourage patients to use doctors like us They could expand the use of health savings accounts so that any medic any money that you spend on uh physician fees is tax-free Uh that would be helpful they could um you know give us you know small business loans to help doctors um get off get on their feet as an independent doctor because it is hard it's harder to
(34:03) be uh independent in a lot of ways because you're running a business at the same time you're treating patients and that's it's time consuming uh but I do it because I appreciate the freedom and the flexibility and the ability to you know treat my patients the way I want to treat And yeah and on the patient side it's hard as well to get to untether yourself from the insurance system Like we use crowd health uh in our family which is this um this uh crowdfunded healthcare model where we pay a monthly fee and then we help crowdfund other
(34:38) bills but if we ever have a health event we pay the first $500 and the rest gets crowdfunded And I've been on that for three years now And it is way cheaper than insurance but it's much scarier At least at the beginning it's not scary to me now but in the beginning it's like oh it seems this is a new model It's foreign Uh not familiar with it Insurance I've had it It's just like your fish and water You're taught growing up like oh you go to the doctor your mom how did you pay for that well we have insurance Um and that I feel
(35:10) like that insurance sort of tether that exists on the patient side as well is a big stick in the mud because it makes it harder for people to make the jump to private doctors like yourself that are running your own firms And so like we haven't even talked about insurance but like insurance plays a big role in this as well Yeah it's hard You know so many people their deductibles are so high now that they're basically a cash paying patient unless something catastrophic happens which in some ways is good because you know when you think about
(35:43) with your car you don't use your insurance to get your oil change You use it if you get in a crash And you could look at health insurance in the same way And if you pay out of pocket for your basics you're going to get a better experience uh and save the insurance for the you know more serious catastrophic issues that might come up Uh and hopefully you get lower premiums as well Um but you know there's direct primary care is a growing movement It's uh doctors that don't take insurance usually take you usually pay a monthly
(36:18) fee and the fee is comparable to a gym membership in price It's usually not super high Uh and you get a lot more access to your doctor and it should equate into a higher quality experience Now not all of them are like-minded when it comes to COVID So you still have to screen for that I mean I've run across a few that are definitely not on my side Um but you you stand a better chance of getting a more objective uh care that is not uh you don't have a third party whispering in your doctor's ear Yeah Yeah The the experience we've had has
(36:55) been incredible You have the ability to text at any hour um seven days a week and you get a pretty quick response I mean we had an instance a couple years ago where one of our boys was uh had a high fever middle of the night We were able to text at 1:00 a.m and got a response within within 30 minutes Wow Impressive You're probably not going to get that at your run-of-the-mill uh pediatric doctor involved in a in a health care system Yeah What what state are you located in i'm in Texas Oh so what is what part of
(37:31) Texas awesome Oh so do you want to share the name of that practice so I can send people or is it uh the act my wife handles this i I'm uh we had to switch We were using uh Veronica Max um for a while but she she closed her practice to spend time with her family but we moved on to another I don't know the name off the top of my head but that was our first experience with this primary care um um private doctor and it was incredible And so I think the experience with Veronica has convinced us like moving forward this is
(38:09) the way that we're going to we're this is the way we're going to interact with the health care system Yeah Yeah That's great Yeah The um so in terms of a call to action for anybody listening to this obviously you got your summons this morning the the government here in Texas does not seem keen on coming to their senses and recognizing that that something is wrong here They're just going to take the orders from the government and and do what they're told Um obviously we have the Maha movement planted in the administration
(38:44) but they don't seem focused on what I believe you and I would deem to be um a a more important topic which is making sure that people aren't getting poisoned with these mRNA vaccines outside of conversations like this like what do you think anybody who is listening to this and agrees with us that there's a problem that is not being addressed what do you think people need to do well it depends on how much time you have If you don't have much time um you can send an email or call your representatives about legislation that
(39:20) would help our movement especially in Texas Texas is Texas is on the brink of turning blue in my opinion and I believe that healthc care is part of that I think you know mandates started here So mandates started April 1st 2021 when Houston Methodist declared it was mandating the shot for its employees and that's sort of how I got involved in all this because I had privileges there and I spoke out against the mandates and then they suspended my privileges in a very public fashion and this was five months before Biden So they really led
(39:53) the way and uh they paved the way for the rest of the country and I believe it was purposeful They knew if they could get away with the mandates in Texas they could get away with them anywhere And we have the largest medical center in the world in Houston 61 hospitals We have the largest cancer center We have the largest children's hospital And it brings people in from all over the world and dilutes our values But we can fight back I mean there are a lot of bills uh under consideration now I was actually just in
(40:24) Austin yesterday and the day before testifying on these bills Um yeah and but you know this the House is moving so slowly it's hard to believe that much is going to actually happen because there only nine weeks left and um they've heard very few bills So it's a little bit discouraging Uh but there's one bill in particular that would would help me It's SB2422 and it is um a bill that would exonerate any doctor that was disciplined by the Texas Medical Board during the pandemic when it regards off label use of medications or masks So I
(41:05) mean there's one doctor Eric Henson who had his license removed temporarily because he wasn't wearing a a mask in his clinic Uh Stella Emanuel has had over 30 complaints against her to the medical board no patients harmed Um and you know my legal fees now are $260,000 just fighting these medical board complaints Um and you know patient there was not a patient harm involved in any of them Um but this bill would clean the record and reimburse us for our legal fees It would be wonderful Um and then yesterday I was testifying uh for a
(41:47) bill and I can't remember the number but it was Shelley Luther So Shelley Luther I don't know if you know her story but she was put in jail for three days because she refused to lock down So she had a hair salon and she knew you know she's like I've got people that are depending on their income and she refused to shut down her salon and was she was imprisoned for three days and she ran for office in one So she is a state representative and she introduced her first bill yesterday And what it would do is if a pharmaceutical company
(42:21) that has a vaccine if they decide they're going to advertise their product so on TV or you know online etc If they advertise in Texas then they are liable for their product So vaccine manufacturers have no liability for their product but this bill if they're going to advertise it they would be liable They could be sued if anything goes wrong for their product So is that a a way to get around the EUA well it's a way to get around the PREP act Yeah So yes So it would just be a way that you could actually because
(43:00) right now you can't sue them you go to a uh vaccine injury compensation program and it's very difficult even in even going to that court to get reimbursed uh and the average reimbursement is is low I know for COVID I think it's only 66 people have been reimbursed and the average reimbursement is $3,000 which is really pathetic Um so it's you have basically no rights and if and most people don't even know that if they get a vaccine or if they get the COVID shot that if something goes wrong um they're out of luck So this is it's a it's a
(43:42) small step but is definitely a step in the right direction Yeah Is EUA the right term is because it's on the childhood schedule that's why they don't have liability right yeah EUA is emergency use authorization which basically just allows you to get it out there without full approval from the FDA Um in terms of liability protection I guess I think the PREP act you know that gives them just blanket immunity but that's for more than just the COVID shots I mean that's for hospital workers anything that happens in the hospital Uh and you know if you
(44:21) give remes Yeah that's that would be great If you're in Texas make sure because it's crazy what's going on here Like there there's a lot of important bills there One uh that we're very um very keen on getting passed in the Bitcoin community There's a bill about uh Texas adding Bitcoin as a strategic reserve asset And as you said we many Bitcoiners have been paying attention to that wondering um when that's going to hit the floor I think what you're I I would concede that what you're um pushing for is probably more
(44:55) important Bodily autonomy and health um uh is probably more important than than getting Bitcoin on the state balance sheet But you have examples like yesterday took the time to vote to make it a Pakistan day in in Texas or um yesterday What are you serious that was yesterday Yeah Yeah Oh that's crazy Yeah Texas also has a bill to make ivormectin over the counter and they have a bill to ban mRNA shots but neither one of those bills have been sent to a committee hearing yet unfortunately So that not sure if they'll progress Do you
(45:35) think the push to make Texas blue is similar to what they did with making um uh the Houston hospital system the first to um issue mandates is if you can turn Texas blue and really take down one of the biggest dominoes in the in the United States to to push all these Orwellian uh collectivist uh laws and and mandates on people right i mean as goes Texas as goes the country So if they can take down Texas with you know the infiltration from the Democrats uh and take Texas and that's a that's a huge deal I mean that's that
(46:18) would be um I it's it's just interesting to me that um people are now more aware of what's going on Um but you know there was you know in this last election there were there was an influx of new representatives There was some overturn but unfortunately the the old regime still reigns Um so there's still more work to do but they did make some progress What do you do you are you optimistic that the tides can turn or do you think it's uh I mean this is talked about nationally like turning I mean that was the big meme Texas is purple we're going
(46:58) to turn it blue you have AOC out there um campaigning in Texas to to turn it to turn it blue and as somebody I'm from the northeast originally I'm one of the refugees from New York when things got crazy postcoid came down um a lot of the Bitcoin industry shifted down here so followed a lot of people to work in peace And I like to think that uh I am not uh one of those people who came here and is trying to uh bring the policies of the states I came from with me I think objectively I'm not My voting uh history would prove
(47:33) that But um it is something that's in it particularly here in Austin You just look at it Austin Austin you've got cranes in the sky all over the place There's a lot of people and companies flooding in And one thing having been here for 4 years now and doing my best to experience the um the authentic Texas way as much as possible getting out to different parts of of the state and and talking to to people that were born and raised here and trying to understand what the state is all about Uh it is something that should be preserved And I
(48:06) I really love the spirit of Texas specifically It would be a great shame if um just by brute force people were able to really change the the nature of the state Well I don't think people realize how much healthc care dominates our economy If you look at jobs on Indeed the number one job in Texas is for our ends Um so it dominates our economy If you look at health care and how health care workers vote you know 10 years ago it was predominantly conservative They voted Republican but that has completely shifted So now most
(48:44) health care professionals are are Democrats and our state is dominated by health care And like I said it brings people in from all over the world Um and uh it's unfort it's unfortunate but I and I'm not sure how we stop it Uh you look at TMA Texas Medical Association It's the largest medical association or state medical association in the country And I mean they support uh mandates They still support mandates They discourage free speech They were against SB14 which is the bill uh that prohibits gender transitioning of minors they they
(49:23) lobbyed against that and that's the largest medical that's largest medical association in the country Um and you would think in Texas that that wouldn't be happening Um but you know and they went after me I mean they joined a group called Shots Heard and uh the the group's purpose was to attack doctors like myself online who were spreading misinformation and report them to the medical board and try to get them delicensed Texas Medical Association is a member of this group I mean it's it's really bizarre That
(49:58) seems the whole healthcare industry what you just described in Texas it seems like there's got to be some sort of conflict of interest involved there That that should be obvious and there should be like a clear demarcation between what people can fund and who they can go after um based off of the incentives they have Well you know the government Biden um funded these groups these influencer groups to go after doctors and to you know basically propagandize the shot I mean and that that so there's some there was a program called CO 19
(50:35) Community Corps and it launched the exact same day that Houston Methodists declared it was mandating the shots So it was April 1st 2021 It was a10 billion dollar program So this is a government program It was doled out to all these different influencer groups started with 275 and it grew to over 17,000 It the money is untraceable It's so complicated Uh going to all these nonprofits and and like um but I you know I do not think it was a coincidence that you know Methodists declared the mandate and this program came out on the
(51:13) exact same day Yeah it's I mean we were Not because of this but like the US aid money that went to NOS's um that funded campaigns By wasn't really an influencer campaign per se but US A funded the Center for Countering Digital Hate which put me this channel this YouTube channel on a list for um I was defined as a new denier in the realm of climate change We've had a lot of climate scientists that don't agree with the mainstream narrative that um we are uh doomed for cataclysmic climate change in the in the near future on to put
(51:53) their case forward and because of that US A funneled money to center for counter countering digital hate which put me on a list and they basically had an AI system to scrape our transcripts to find any episode which we talked about climate change and then they would send that to YouTube and tell them to demonetize is that particular episode And that it's happened with CO too I don't know what specific list we're on but early during the pandemic we had a doctor from Wyoming Doc Woods on on the show and he was in his 70s and he was
(52:25) giving out Ivormectin and he got his license pulled uh early on in the pandemic because he was giving Ivormectin and I had him on the show to give a story and it was at the time um during COVID when when censorship was at its peak and so that episode didn't even get demonetized got pulled down completely But to to think that I I would not be surprised that there was some similar sort of funneling of government money to an NGO to tattletail on this channel to YouTube to to highlight hey they're talking about about wrong think on the show You should
(53:00) you should pull it down Yeah it's still the censorship is still happening I mean I did a episode with Danny Jones and Jack Cruz was on there and they had to uh bleep out vaccines Every time one of us said vaccine they had to mute it so that they wouldn't get deplatformed from YouTube It's insane Yeah Um and yeah I just did an interview with Tucker Carlson and he told me that he'd had a meeting with the YouTube um head honcho or you know somebody up high about the censorship and YouTube has promised now not to censor uh COVID misinformation Uh
(53:41) they're going to allow us to talk about it now So it'll be interesting to see what happens Yeah they'll allow you to talk about it but they probably won't feed it into the algorithm It was It was It's insane to think that it's really scary I think I hope I think people listening to this show understand But that's one thing I hope whether it's in regards to COVID climate change whatever that like this should not be happening in America American companies The government number one should not be printing money or issuing
(54:12) debt to fund NOS's to propagandize the American people and um tattletail on companies to censor individuals But censorship uh it's like hopefully this Trump administration can turn the tide But we're we're reaching a precipice um that if we if we cross over it's going to be very scary moving forward you look over to Europe like the UK and Germany and Ireland and you can't publicly state certain things and without the threat of going to jail and many Americans will point and laugh at that but we're we're not too far away
(54:51) from that here as well That's right That's right Well I I have hope I mean I was kicked off Twitter for five months and uh I got reinstated on Christmas Day Thank you Elon Um so you know it it I hopefully we've hit our low point and we're we're rising in the right direction heading in the right direction Yeah I hope so as well Well Mary I want to thank you for for all you're doing I know today particularly was probably uh um a bit frustrating for you So I thank you for taking the time to sit down with me uh less than an hour
(55:31) after you got that that summons um from the medical board Keep fighting Um I think what you're doing is extremely important I think most importantly um little by little I've been following you on X um for years now Uh you're instilling confidence in people and I think you alluded to it earlier you have other doctors beginning to hop in your replies um with with words of encouragement people coming up to you I think little by little the more you continue to march on the more confidence you're going to instill in
(56:04) others to to speak out against this cuz I think that's the most important thing right now just to not let this elephant get swept under the rug keep shouting about it There needs to be retribution and the people that really uh orchestrated the crimes against humanity from 2020 on they need to be held accountable And this is not something that I'm going to forget It's not something that many others aren't going to forget And we need to make sure that um anybody who's sleepwalking out there needs to wake up and realize hey this is
(56:34) uh this was a crime against humanity and there needs to be retribution People need to be held accountable Agree and I appreciate you having me on to help me with that effort Thank you Mary Um keep crushing it We'll we'll be following your story and uh hopefully the next time you're Austin we can meet up in person Definitely All right Peace and love freaks
