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Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin delve into the complex interplay of political maneuvers, corporate influence, and surveillance technology, highlighting how digital IDs and AI-driven data manipulation threaten personal freedoms and democratic principles.
In this latest episode of TFTC, Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin explore the complex interplay of political maneuvers, corporate influence, and surveillance technology, beginning with the recent assassination attempt on Donald Trump and the announcement of J.D. Vance as his vice-presidential candidate. They discuss digital surveillance and control systems, highlighting the significant role of private sector partners in creating a surveillance state under the guise of safety. The conversation covers how figures like Reid Hoffman and tech moguls like Peter Thiel shape public perception and steer political outcomes, potentially moving towards a technocratic future. The episode also delves into the intersection of politics and finance, focusing on Vance’s connections to Peter Thiel and the "PayPal Mafia," and the privatization of surveillance efforts. The discussion extends to the implications of surveillance technologies like Palantir, emphasizing the threats these pose to personal freedoms and privacy.
Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin examine the assassination attempt on Donald Trump and J.D. Vance's vice-presidential candidacy to discuss the expanding surveillance state and the merging of corporate and governmental interests. They argue that digital IDs and AI-driven data manipulation threaten personal freedoms, with tech moguls like Peter Thiel blurring the lines between private enterprise and intelligence operations. The episode underscores the need for critical media engagement and vigilance to preserve democratic principles amid increasing technocratic influence.
0:00 - Intro
0:57 - Trump shooting and media aftermath
9:33 - River & Bitkey
10:56 - JD Vance and Palantir
23:40 - Trump’s image & public/private partnership
47:12 - Controlled media
1:02:35 - Using Bitcoin for evil
1:07:51 - Nostr, ecash & stables
1:25:06- Framing bitcoin as money
1:34:20 - All things are used to justify surveillance
1:52:52 - Law enforcement
1:58:53 - Stop complying, solve from the ground up
2:10:43 - Keep calm against the emotional manipulation
(00:00) when you look at you know what it's building toward and if we have that kind of system where like you know peace through surveillance Mass surveillance and like peace through a police state and all of that stuff like yeah I mean you you can have an extremely authoritarian totalitarian government impose order um but that's not really what most people think of when they see the flowery description that they give of sg16 but when you read what it's actually about you know a very different picture emerges and they can't do it
(00:32) without digital ID they can't do it without implementing this whole um you know Sur surveillance panopticon and they're relying hugely on the on private sector Partners uh to build that this rip of tftc was brought to you by river it's the best place to buy Bitcoin go to river.com tftc and enjoy this episode woo doggy what an interesting week Whitney and Mark we uh yeah to say the least I think we scheduled this a couple of weeks ago but uh considering everything that's happened over the last
(01:13) four or five days I think uh the conversation's going to start in a different direction so obviously we had the attempted assassination on Donald Trump over the weekend at a at a an event in Pennsylvania uh and since then a lot has happened we've had the announcement of his vice presidential candidate JD Vance out of Ohio and we're a week away from the Bitcoin 2024 conference in in Nashville and there's a big leadup so there's a a lot of intersecting themes here as we as we meet to talk about all
(01:52) this today what uh I think just starting with that the assassination attempt and everything that's unfolded since then what are your shoot from the hip responses to to what's been going on um well you know in my case I didn't really look too much into the aftermath of the assassination I know people have been assassination attempt I know people have been saying a lot of things um you know I think it's it's rather odd that so so there's very little known about the shooter um you know he basically exists
(02:26) in a 2022 Black Rock commercial and like there's very little on him like no Manifesto I mean if you think about some of the big name or you know the the mass shooters or shootings that got like you know bigger attention in recent years uh there's a lot more on them either scrub from the Internet or their social media posts or all sorts of things seems like this one's kind of uh I don't know not a lot of info on him which is is kind of interesting but you know again a lot of people um are more focused on on that
(02:58) than perhaps his VP pick or any of the other things that he's come out and said since that um such as his willingness to consider putting Jamie Diamond in charge of the Treasury Department um you know things like that so um you know I honestly don't know uh exactly what happened there and I haven't again looked at it too closely and I don't want to get in trouble by commenting on things that I haven't studied you know um but generally you know when these things happen regardless of whether it was organic or not uh the
(03:31) responses especially people's emotional responses are always manipulated by the powers that be um and you know I think that's something people should perhaps keep in mind because you know the federal government intelligence agencies and also you know in the private sector it it's pretty well known that people tend to make decisions uh based on how they feel rather than you know what they're or rather than critical thought or rational thought so you know uh when people are very and very emotionally
(04:01) wound up um you know they tend to try and um uh move people uh more than perhaps they would otherwise and I guess that's all I really have to say about it I don't know if Mar said anything well totally well I think it's you know it's interesting I think everything that you kind of just said Has totally spot on it's interesting that like the main guy that's kind of come out and been like false flag was like Reed Hoffman who was like a huge part of this piece that we just that we just dropped honestly huge
(04:30) part of it but um you know he's kind of a a social network like data Baron uh you know uh uh you know founded LinkedIn but you know is is super important in PayPal and he's on the Microsoft board and he's really heavily connected with Endeavor group um but I think it's really interesting when you look at you know kind of what what Whitney just said like this idea that you know they're they're basically trying to manufacturer consent and simulate reaction using social soci networks is sort of the main
(05:02) uh you know way that we intake information and these social networks are all run by you know these this kind of you know data broker uh social network cabal basically you know this like Facebook group that you know Whitney's written a lot about coming out of you know dun kind of military origins of of of social networks and uh you know they now have it they have it so dialed in now that they can basically use these networks and use you know uh stimulus uh you know to very specifically directed at certain bands
(05:32) of demographics um and they can basically kind of simulate and stimulate a reaction of of very specific groups you know they can look at far-right groups they can look at uh you know people with interest in anti-government uh you know ideals they can look at people that just totally line up to you know eat up the slop of the you know the CNN narrative or whatever and they can kind of exactly pick these people and feed them very specific ific data points um using these Network Tools that are just really great for yeah GLE you know taking data
(06:05) scraping data but also their their their data distribution networks as well um and so now we're seeing you know this just totally hyperal uh you know uh you know they're going to do whatever they want to do we're going to go wherever they want us to go anyway a lot of this election stuff every four years you know people just forget you know that you know they're they're pushing us wherever they want to go and they use social networks and they use this sort of data distribution you know to to
(06:33) manufacture consent uh for where for where it's going and and I think that's kind of just where we're at with this I I haven't really looked too much into it I've been trying to stay off uh so these social networks there's a lot of other work to be done in in you know this line of work I guess uh you know plenty of other people are covering uh you know the the weekends events um and on to sort of piggyback on what Mark was saying you know one of the big uh efforts of the people sort of guting AI
(07:01) policy in the United States uh they've talked about how um AI can can will be leading us into Divergent realities based on what information has shown to people what the algorithm shown to people and so like you know if you look at the events over the weekend A lot of people like on the Left Right were it was being said more over there that this was like a stag thing or also stuff like you know uh very different data points and then if you look at what was in the in you know in more right leaning circles on social
(07:35) media like a completely different uh narrative and ultimately you have these people being like uh cognitively divided in a sense like essentially living in in separate realities um and because they just perceive the these events so differently right so anyway something to keep in mind as we go forward because I'm sure there's going to be a lot more um crazy stuff happening during this election season uh going forward yeah somebody's been very online over the last 5 days it's uh it is and that's what I'm trying to figure
(08:09) out like to me at this point based on what I've consumed from an information perspective and I've seen what you described on both sides um the left saying it was staged by Trump trump saying it or people I don't think Trump said anything explicitly but people on the right saying that it was uh an attempt an assassination and leadup so that the incumbents could keep power but I also think there's like a possibility that the incumbent Republicans try to do something um to keep their power because
(08:42) that's I mean the aftermath of all this like I think at this point I do believe somebody tried to kill him unsuccessfully it's obvious to me that there was a lapse in security that is either negligent to the point of uh like just the worst incompetence that you could ever see or it was intentional to um create the next JFK event if you will but the aftermath is such that where it seems like the um upcoming Tech forward conservative faction in this country is seen it as a massive power grab and obviously I think JD Vance being
(09:21) inserted as the vice president is is evidence to that to sort of take over at least the Republican party and put forward a new plan of where this country is going if Trump gets in it's wild times this episode was presented by river river is the best most secure place to buy Bitcoin in the United States go to river.
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(10:58) interesting that in the last few days um you know there there's been reports of an alleged Iranian assassination plan targeting Trump um after while his base is very yeah while his base is very wound up right being like it was the Iranians you know and then JD Vance is uh named and then he goes uh just a few hours after talks about you know the need to punch Iran hard and all this stuff um interesting um when you consider that there's been a long-standing effort to sort of get us get the United States embroiled in in
(11:34) war with Iran going on you know probably over two decades now so um and obviously you know his base isn't really into the whole you know more Wars thing not that really any Americans are at this point except people that directly benefit from them um so I don't know I think that's an interesting development but as far as JD JD Vance is concerned you know he's an Ohio guy uh he used to he uh you know been involved in at least one uh fundraiser at Leslie wexner's house who again is the richest man in Ohio and a
(12:08) pretty important figure in the in the Epstein Scandal and I mean that's the reality of people that come to power in Ohio just like in Chicago if you want to be uh you know crowned uh you know political royalty in Chicago you have to make uh good with the pritzkers and and the crowns and families like that I mean in the state of Ohio it's kind of similar uh if not with Wexner himself self with his kind of broader Network he's dominated politics in that state for a very very long time um and uh but
(12:37) really the the name that's most important as it relates to Vance is is going to be Peter theel um as people have noted um Vance worked at mithil Capital where he uh mithil by the way a big investor in the stable coin issue or paxos which plays a pretty big role and uh the piece we'll be discussing later um and mithil from mithil he went on to um be involved with some of these other VC funds one tied to an AOL co-founder uh one of them receiving a lot of money uh this rise of the rest fund it was heavily funded by people like Jeff Bezos
(13:10) and the the Walton family from Walmart who if you're familiar with the Waltons are in you know very tied up historically with the clintons specifically Hillary um and then you know from there he's uh invol his political career uh a lot of theal involvement once again a lot of donations from from theal and other members of the so-called PayPal Mafia like David Sachs and Elon Musk of course um you know being a big uh you know part of the the fundraising apparatus as are some other companies that theal helped
(13:42) create like paler uh which is now part of the super pack with the winkl Vos Twins and Elon Musk and then you also have Joe Lonsdale who's a paler co-founder with Peter theel joining that so why is this bad I could probably go on a rant for a very long time about Peter theel so I'm just going to try and condense it um I've been reporting on him and specifically on paler for a very long time uh if I would encourage people to look at those reports because there is it's it's very clear that paler was
(14:13) expressly created by Peter theel and Alex karp to be the privatization of this program uh that was they tried to launch after 911 at DARPA that was called total information awareness pretty sure Marty we've discussed it uh before and uh total information awareness was basically to create a a giant data mining operation uh that would be combined with artificial intelligence for the purpose of basically creating a pre-crime society not just predictive policing but also PR predicting pandemics before they happen
(14:45) um and biot Terror attacks and Terror attacks before they happen um and since then it's been um you know privatizes paler paler has done all of those things they during covid they were trying to predict um covid outbreaks before they happened by surveilling Wastewater in conjunction with the HHS they' done pred predictive policing programs all throughout the United States they're a contractor uh with pretty much every intelligence agency uh their only client until 2008 was the CIA paler engineers and the
(15:18) early years of the company uh made over 200 visits to CIA headquarters in Langley Virginia Alex carpus said on record the CIA was always the intended client um of palent here and uh the Tia program though it was housed at DARPA was created in conjunction uh with the close involvement of the CIA particularly the cia's then Chief Information officer Alan Wade who was also a business partner of Christine Maxwell Galen Maxwell sister in a company called kilad that was very similar uh the software program It produced was similar in many ways uh to
(15:52) paler as well so you know paler for all intents and purposes um is the panopticon software that Tia was meant to be and it's important to keep in mind where Tia originally came from the person that ran Tia was um a man named John Poindexter who was one of the the actually the top figure in the Reagan Administration uh to be uh charged as part of the Iran Contra Scandal and indirect relation with the Iran Contra Scandal uh poin Dexter and also Oliver North and other figures involved in Iran Contra uh created a database using the
(16:25) promise software which again involved Robert Maxwell and Christine Maxwell specifically and really uh the CIA and Israeli intelligence um and and uh so the promise software was basically sort of a Proto paler you could say a way to sort of like data mine and uh you know generate intelligence from these these masses of of data and um main core was Bas described as a list of Americans that could be rounded up in a time in a vaguely defined National crisis which you know could be something like uh nonviolent protests against milit US
(17:05) military intervention abroad right so a big protest against an invasion of Iran or an invasion of Iraq or whatever could trigger it something like that and it was you know very vaguely defined once again and um and it was active well past Iran Contra but actually when it was like asked about during the Iran Contra hearings the hearings were just like shut down Oliver like didn't answered the question they just shut down the hearing for him so he didn't have to and um it was it was operating on 911 uh as
(17:37) a the last time it was reported on uh by like a mainstream Outlet it was like 2008 and at that point it was estimated to have three million Americans on it um paler basically decides who's on that list today uh they've been they label people as subversives for the CIA uh and they've been doing it for a very long time and if you look at a lot of the other theal companies that have come up uh since he created paler uh companies like Clear View AI for example and also Facebook which wouldn't exist without
(18:11) Peter theel he was his he was the earliest outside investor in Peter theel uh sorry the earliest outside investor in Facebook um Facebook was also a resurrect resurrected DARPA program uh called lifelog uh Facebook was launched on the same day that DARPA had to shutter lifelog it was very related to total information awareness and at the same time that um you know Peter theel and Alex karp were expressly trying to privatize these DARPA programs DARPA surveillance programs that were being shut down um and Clear View AI for example uh
(18:45) has boasted about going after Trump supporters on January 6 being uh they've developed this very Advanced facial recognition software uh by taking photos off of Facebook another Theo invested company and can claim to um they claim to be able to identify everyone in the world now um have been you know very involved with the Ukrainian military during the the conflict there since 2022 uh but on but on January 6 they were they brag about having been used by uh law enforcement and then subsequently um you know other law enforcement agencies
(19:19) after the actual day to identify people who were there uh some of whom have gone to prison so for people that want to you know claim this is a great victory that pet you know Peter the Protege is a is a VP um and that paler Technologies itself is and another paler co-founder Joe Lonsdale are donating so much money to Trump you know I would consider people to think about that especially in the fact that paler CEO Alex karp um is is very overt about saying that um he thinks uh you know Christian nationalists are the far right in the
(19:53) United States is going to like murder him it like keeps him up at night he thinks they're going to push him out of a high-rise window and stuff and has like openly has expressed these like paranoid delusions of that kind of stuff and that's what palente here is focused on on targeting I mean it just seems like a big Honeypot at the end of the day um for all these people that you know care about the Constitution and care about all these values that these guys certainly in my opinion don't because I mean they're CIA contractors
(20:20) at the end of the day you know and maybe Peter theels framed himself as a Libertarian but would you if you were a free market libertarian would you create something like paler for the federal government you know it just seems kind of a hard sell if you ask me yeah and I think the celebration in general of Advance is sort of just kind of is a general misunderstanding of how intelligence and Venture Capital has sort of merged uh specifically looking at pounder I mean it it it correct me if I'm wrong but it started at PayPal yeah
(20:50) spun out of technically a PayPal spinoff and and you know who was funding pante here at the very beginning again Whitney mentioned you know it's early contractors were all CIA but also the cia's Venture Capital firm itself incel was one of the main funders of paler um and so you know there's been this kind of big push from public sector programs you know you could look at something like an oracle that started as an oracle project you know within the CIA Larry Ellison was working on in the CIA and
(21:17) then you know okay well actually it's much better for us to contain all of this data and do all the things that we want to do being data Brokers if we move into the private sector uh we actually reserve a lot more rights um to sell data to do things with data if we're not stuck uh with all of the bureaucratic tape of being in the public sector so let's go into the private sector and it was an active thing kind of done with the formation of incel and I'm sure Wendy can talk more about it um but you
(21:44) know basically they were like if we want to compete with Silicon Valley we have to kind of become Silicon Valley and there was an infiltration in the late 90s um into a lot of these information Brokers um and especially a lot of information banking um we see a lot of ties with like like a city group or something you know kind of having revolving door with the CIA and and then you know something like a PayPal being funded that has all these really heavy connections with uh Microsoft and and incel and so now we're seeing paler
(22:12) which is sort of just the modern version of it uh you know and and and and so why you know people will Will Champion hey well the free Market's so great uh you know this is this is so badass we have a vcp uh well well no this is crony capitalism again and and the reason why they're moving into the private sector is not because uh you know uh this is some champion of of you know Austrian economics or some free market uh wonderfulness happening it's because it gives them a lot more ability to play
(22:42) around with our data uh having a private company in charge of the sensors on your cop cars and scanning your license plates and doing facial recognition software and the people feeding these llms and and all these things it being a private sector company is is extremely beneficial for the data brokers uh that are incredibly intelligence linked and they feed off government contracts but then allow uh you know to you know to sell to private data to sell your data to private companies they can sell it to public companies as well to or rather to
(23:12) public governments there's nothing that says a private company can't sell data to the government they just can also sell it to advertisers and people that Focus again that's stuff I kind of talked about the beginning uh you know attacking certain bands of of uh you know demographics now they have all of this data that they can play with that's coming out of the private sector and they can distribute it around and and and you know basically manipulate consent manufacture consent uh using all of this private sector free market data
(23:41) when particularly in the last section of U I don't want to call it a ramp but the monologue there the uh that's I can't stop thinking about like perverse incentives right like because um talking about like the free market like providing something good that doesn't uh equip the the CIA with surveillance technology like if the CIA didn't have like a a blackbox budget and they weren't able to issue debt and print money like would the incentives be to actually go do something good in the
(24:11) world um but as it stands today it seems like again going back to what I said earlier it seems like there after the failed assassination attempt there is a power vacuum particularly on the Republican side and it's been a push by these Tech forward um conservative thinkers like all right it's our time to take the power and get in um and then like and I can see why people are getting behind it too because it's objectively like looking at the economy over the last eight years um and everything that's happened people are
(24:45) not happy with the direction the where where the country is going and I think that that visual of trump standing on the stage like we're going to fight like really lit a fire in a lot of people's um bellies that has them like all right we're going to go in a New Direction and they're really taking well if they're not happy about the economy I'm sure they'll enjoy Jamie Diamond in charge of the treasur I think good statement on the I think you nailed it there on that like that image right I mean there's such an
(25:15) iconic image already instantly of trump bleeding with his hand up or whatever and I think people forget it's like he's an actor he's he's a reality TV star this is kind of what Trump has been he's a dead Baron of course uh Casino guy Real Estate Mogul guy have connected with the mega group and all this yada yada but I mean he's really he's he's a he's a media figure uh and that that's really what his Forte is and so he's built this Persona as being this like Tech Grandpa who you know gets his
(25:42) emails printed out to him he doesn't own a computer he wakes up every day and some assistant is is reading Twitter to him or whatever and he's not really touching you know these things and he you know he he he doesn't know what's going on he's not this Tech forward guy but he's completely surrounded by all of these you know Tech ghouls I mean teal was a part of his transition team uh and and then a lot of this like you know kind of rhetoric that Trump put out specifically about Bitcoin I think was
(26:09) very obvious at the time you know a few of us called it out in real time that it was it was a total misdirection of rhetoric when you actually look at what his actions are so he's out there tweeting about how Bitcoin is bad and you know it it competes with the dollar and the only world world Reserve currency is the dollar but meanwhile he's appointing Brian Brooks the OCC that's like making Banks be able to hold crypto um and and now I mean literally he's picking uh a VP that's you know investing in uh you know cryptocurrency
(26:39) infrastructure providers while at mythal Capital um and I think that you know that a lot of people have been really fooled I think by what you know the Persona that Trump is you know especially in 2016 you know he was funny you know it was like funny to have a a guy go out there and make fun of Clinton and do all this stuff and be very entertaining but then again what did he do what actually happened uh you know he pushed operation warp speed which is probably one of the biggest human rights violations of all time he locked down
(27:06) the country he printed trillions of dollars this idea that he's this anti-establishment candidate when really he set the policy for the globe uh you know to you know use data uh Brokers like a paler to run a lot of the covid response and and um you know he really the whole covid response paler was in charge of like deciding who gets the vaccine first they held all of the covid data not just for the us but also the United Kingdom um and then started surveilling like you know sewage systems throughout the United States literally
(27:39) resurrecting an old like total information awareness program from 2003 called biosurveillance same thing um I mean honestly it's pretty insane when you consider how U involved paler was but it hasn't really gotten a lot of coverage and I think also yeah like Mark said uh Trump has definitely gotten a pass about a lot of the warp speed stuff and I know that a lot of people um who like Trump try and dismiss it is like oh he had bad people last time or he listened to the wrong people but I mean I don't know if you can really have it
(28:09) both ways I mean it it what what's going on right now sort of reminds me a lot of what happened with like lefties during the Obama era everyone's energized during the first campaign hope and change and then he's a complete disappointment when he's like actually in office and then uh when it comes to the second campaign before the second term you know all these people on the left being like oh well it was the Republicans or he didn't have the right people or these people weren't helping
(28:35) him meanwhile we find out later that his entire cabinet from the off was chosen by City Group um in the immediate aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis right um among all these other things that we know since then right so it's sort of like that same type of wishful thinking you know either you know Trump is the guy that's going to fight the Deep State and win or he's this guy that like you know is beholden to the people he surrounds himself with and has no agency it's kind of hard to argue both
(29:03) in in my opinion and I mean if you're talking about you know having all you know Peter extreme Peter theel influence in the next Trump Administration and then you know people like Jamie Diamond are being floated it's like oh he's going to surround himself with better people this time uh they're also like floating Eric Prince as head of the Pentagon the Blackwater founder who's been going on this like PR Tour all over the place trying to like himself as like something else you know um he's a CIA
(29:32) asset it's a documented thing guys so yeah I don't know and he also was like super involved with the Chinese government through Frontier Services Group print so I don't know how does that Gro with the the China bad stuff from the you know the Trump rhetoric I I don't know you tell me yeah the the private sector coup is here and I think we're agreeing to it passively through uh unread user agreement ments on all of these data broker sites uh and also just passiveness to you know the the ghouls
(30:05) that are getting LED in to the administration I mean I think there's just you know people are so focused on on Trump and you know how his rhetoric and how he's so funny and he owns the the libtards and all this stuff but like you know he's surrounding himself with some of the worst people that are that are quite literally part of the privatized CIA now kind of coming back um and using the government um you know to basically use regulation to King make and make a ton of money uh by allowing the services that they provide the
(30:35) infrastructures that they provide whether it's data whether it's stable coins whether it's whatever uh to be king made via regulation um to basically again do the teal thing and find a market and dominate it uh and and become a monopoly I mean literally teal says this I mean he he writes this in his book you know competition is bad for profits go find a thing that that that no one is dominating and dominate it and become a monopoly uh and then move on to the next one competition's bad so that's
(31:04) not free market you know that's not that's not this you know badass Austrian economic whatever hoara that that they're selling us it's not that um this is literally how do we build monopolies under the guise of the free market uh and then actually use the government uh to you know give us a bunch of contracts to feed on uh government contracts yeah and expand their power and keep them monopolies right government sanction monopolies essentially and I think it's useful to frame this sort of as the
(31:33) public private partnership which is you know directly related to what a lot of people have known about us politics for a long time the revolving door um a lot of these people in interests are in public sector when convenient then they mve to the private sector when convenient and I think um you know what the setup here um is and what it has been you know we've been talking about it probably for most of this year especially with like a lot of the Larry think stuff in in Bitcoin that happened earlier um this year is the idea of sort of uh
(32:01) trying to move now that you know the public sector is unpopular move it back to the private sector and frame um you know that's I'm I'm sure a big reason why Eric Prince is you know being considered for the Pentagon because he's been on a uh during Trump's first Administration was pushing to essentially privatize the entire National Security State both the intelligence and military communities so is it you know better will all our problems go away way if the official CIA is dissolved but we have a private CIA
(32:32) led by former CIA assets like Eric Prince and stuff um you know I don't necessarily think that's true um and is it really you know again it's not free market you know private sector you know the US has essentially been a crony capitalist uh you know economy for a very long time and you you know and people have argue too that a lot of famous American capitalists have direct relationships with you know the Chinese government and Rave about China everyone from you know the Rockefeller family uh to Larry think and if you honestly look
(33:04) at how China has developed as an economy um it's focused on creating a you know using government control to have a centralized control economy and that's why you have people like Larry f saying markets love totalitarian governments because it like reduces risk for them right and makes it makes it easier to trade when you know what's going to happen and that's part of the utility of something like paler as well that's supposed to predict everything before it happens you know there's there's a lot
(33:31) of you know they they view that as sort of like a market intelligence thing I would assume anyway so I think we're you know sort of being pushed in that in that direction I think Malay is part of it as well and if you look at someone uh some of the recent policies Malay has floated it's things like yeah we're going to get rid of the education Ministry but we're going to put Facebook in charge of educating the youth Facebook the same you know company that um is has been you know hated by conservatives for you know censoring
(33:58) them and censoring speech that's the one you know that's the company you want to put in charge of like molding young minds but I guess it makes sense if you look at it from like you know the Peter theal perspective and why he was interested in putting Facebook on the map and having it become you know what at least at one point was a the dominant social network it may not be in the US anymore but it certainly is in Latin America and I'm sure a lot of other places as well um so uh you know I would
(34:24) consider people to be kind of wary of what were being sold and I think ALS Al you know a lot of the arguments that have come around is like oh well you know the other choice is so bad yes of course the Democrats are terrible they're terrible on purpose in my opinion they've kept Biden there this whole time because he's completely unsellable the only reason he would like a lot of Democrats even took him the first time is because he promised to be a one-term president and obviously you know that hasn't happened disastrous
(34:50) debate performances and all of this all these top Democrats saying yeah he needs to go and he's insisting on on staying in I mean I would argue it looks like they're trying to lose and if you consider the funding sources of the Democrats and other things that I've like discussed in my book um like um in terms of like these power networks of like intelligence and uh in Banks and stuff that are behind you know pretty much our entire political system it's a uni party uh the two-party system only
(35:18) exists really as a paradigm uh and and you know as a divide and conquer strategy for the oligarchs of the United States um so why would they you know if they want a particular person in power I mean it would make sense they do a control demolition of the other of the other side and that's essentially I think what we're what we're witnessing right now um and I think a lot of people at least after covid sort of got the two-party Paradigm stuff and in some of this but you know election fever uh can
(35:47) make people forget the stuff it's very easy to get caught up and um you know the the emotions and you know the images and the speeches and the rallies right um but I you know I think um you know again campaigns are a sales pitch uh I think people should focus more instead of on campaigns on especially considering that Trump's been in office before on what he did last time he was in office and and keeping with the whole discussion of pre- crime and paler um one of the things Trump did when he was in office is that he called on big Tech
(36:20) to create software to surveil Americans to prevent mass shootings before they could happen and then piggybacking off of that his attorney General William bar legalized pre- crime in the United States while also attempting to eliminate uh encryption and by that I mean uh in trying to uh guarantee uh back doors for the federal government into consumer apps and devices that promis to that market themselves is encrypted um you know like WhatsApp for example among numerous others I'm sure so um and then he was also considering
(36:54) um a program um or the creation of this health focused DARPA equivalent called harpa the first program of which was going to be called safe homes which is an acronym for something I can't remember um but basically the idea of it was to data mine American social media posts and data from consumer devices like fitbits and uh you know all these like the Alexa thing and and all that stuff the Google equivalent of it like Apple TVs and stuff uh to determine if Americans were showing early warning signs of neuros psychiatric VI violence
(37:28) and may become violent at some point and might commit mass shootings uh and may be mentally unwell in all of this stuff using Ai and you know and all of this stuff and Trump was apparently sold on the program uh by his daughter Ivanka who was the the biggest lobbyist for it in the Trump Administration um and actually even though harpa wasn't made under trump it was made under Biden it's called arpa H they just moved the age to the end but it's the same people so you know unfortunately a lot of this um
(37:58) we've seen in terms of the construction of the surveillance State I mean if you look at it it's a bipartisan agenda and every president has advanced it and if you look at some of the people backing Trump and some of the things he said uh like the idea of the virtual border wall which is being built by um a company called andil um and Palmer uh Palmer lucky is the person behind that who sold you know the his VR company Oculus Rift uh to Facebook with the's help um and his current um outfit andero not only is
(38:26) backed by theal um but is um you know a major contractor now to the US government a relationship I believe started during the Trump Administration they're building the virtual border wall and when Trump was in office the first time he said uh he rejected what he campaigned on the idea of a physical barrier on the US Mexico border and went full in on the on this biometric uh virtual border wall which is actually what the Democrats had been lobbying for um and that was their answer to border security you know uh in the post 911 era
(38:56) was actually having this virtual border wall so it's something that has bipartisan approval and on recent campaign stops Trump has been supporting the idea of uh biometric entry exit system on all us borders and ports of Entry so you know that's like digital ID scanning your face in order to you know enter the US and all of that and framing it as a way to uh you know tackle immigration and all of the stuff one of his campaign lawyers was suggesting the same system for voting scan your face in order to be able to vote isn't it
(39:27) interesting that one of Peter the's other proteges uh beside JD Vance is Sam Alman who's behind worldcoin which is you know the biometric face scanning gives you a unique digital ID um hopefully uh I don't know we'll see the limits of Peter the's influence on Trump's second term because obviously he's going to win I don't think that's any question anymore or if it really was a question um if he was going to win or not um so yeah I've been ranting for a while so well I think I so much of what
(39:56) you just said I think is a lot about you know kind of simulating these phase shift dialectics via like control demolition of of talking points going from you know public sector bad to private sector good and you know looking at the the surveillance State I think that's very clear everything you just said that they're doing that but also they they've been doing that with uh you know monetary policy and private Capital creation and so we got guys up there like Malay running around you know saying AA and you know printing money is
(40:25) bad and the central bank is bad while he is opening the door for uh you know the people that really caused you know the global financial crisis uh these huge banks that became too big to fail via their agents going into the public sector and deregulating the derivatives Market you know repealing glass deagle and allowing these you know groups to you know these banking groups to just become literally too big to fail taking our you know retirement money our mortgage money you know uh and and speculating with it and then blowing up
(40:56) these huge bubbles and causing the government you know via the the the public Banks to have to print trillions of dollars worth of treasuries to then to then back uh you know this private Capital creation speculation and so we've kind of come to that point now where everyone is very upset at you know the fed and they're upset at uh you know what uh public Banks central banks have done across the world in creating this hyperinflationary environment but who controls the FED but who controls the FED I mean like Jamie d is not the
(41:28) answer I mean he's you you could you could criticize him so much for the role of how the monetary stimulus happened uh I mean isn't wasn't JP Morgan like aren't they the biggest like owner of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York the most influential Bank in the Federal Reserve System right well I don't know if you saw my tweet a couple weeks ago but Elizabeth Warren was ketching on Twitter like look drone Palace had private meetings with Jamie Diamond this year I'm like yeah like JP Morgan like Jamie Diamond a super
(41:59) softball interview recently though and was like well Jamie I fancy seeing you here I forget what she was it was about it was about Bitcoin and about cryptocurrency and she was like I can't believe I'll ever side with with uh Jamie but I guess if it's the takeown Bitcoin and crypto and it's like well Jamie Diamond is running like TCN with with black rock I mean they're doing the JPM coin they're doing Onyx they're doing these huge you know trillion dollar volumes like coin but he's all in on
(42:28) blockchain and all sorts of yeah you know deposit tokenized deposits and surveill programmable money yeah ultimately remember that's why people right right but that's why people don't like cbdcs right it's programmable and surveill and a threat to your freedom but it doesn't have to be issued by the FED to be programmable and surveill it can be issued by JP Morgan it can be issued by City Group it can be issued by whatever Bank Bank of America and uh those banks have shown time and again
(42:56) that they're willing to cooperate with the federal government even if it's unconstitutional just look at Bank of America uh giving banking records to the federal government uh for people that were in the vicinity of the capital on January 6 2001 totally good example and whenever there's any sort of dissonant movement happening you know the banks are the first people to get pressured by the the public sector to to shut it down you know we look at the trucker movement in Canada I mean that whole thing
(43:19) happened because banking services whether you know they were like they were private right I mean GoFundMe the the private Banks Bank you know they were they were forced uh and coerced by the US government to to shut down or the Canadian government to shut down and to stop servicing these people and I think that's a really important part of the private bank digital currency uh angle here that I think we're attacking with with stable coins everyone's afraid of cbdcs it's kind of a red herring private
(43:48) Capital has always been in the hands of the private Banks private Capital creation uh and that's not going to change they don't want to lose that racket but there's innately a king making Axiom where stablecoin providers or these private banks that want to make digital dollars the Dollar's been digital for a long time but they want to make digital dollars Now using blockchain technology tokenized you know uh dollar instruments uh they have to buy treasuries so they have to have some sort of uh you know regulatory
(44:17) connection King made connection with the powers that be that that actually allow them to buy these treasuries from the treasury so we're looking at you know now who are the hungriest people now buying up US debt it's stable coin providers they're like the biggest source of demand uh for the government to service their debt I mean it's just absurd what we're seeing tethers you know specifically is you know is is like a tenth of the debt already that Japan and China hold each um you know and
(44:45) that's going to continue to grow and we're going to see you know more people be king uh in the stablecoin uh issuer uh you know Consortium and I think you know we're seeing someone like a PayPal really stepping up and getting ready especially with someone like a JD Vance coming in who literally his the company that he worked at his former firm that he was a principal at uh you know was an investor and not not not only paler but paxos which is the stable coin issuer uh that used to do binance as bu USD but is
(45:13) now doing py USD which is Paypal stable coin PayPal with a flip of a switch can turn all of their uh you know venmo uh which has integrated Pi USD all of their email you know kind of eBay you know the Market that was created with PayPal you know via eBay they can they can switch with a flip of a switch to being all on on a on a ledger and be and being uh you know these tokenized debt instruments that that are stable coins and and they're going to come in with highly regulated trillions of dollars of stable
(45:44) coins that are King by the regulatory arm of the government uh but really it's a private sector infrastructure company heavily invested in by PayPal heavily connected with PayPal with paxos um and they get to you know basically be the cap private Capital creators of the modern economy as things digitize um and so like you know who's going to buy the US debt who's ready who's primed to do that it's these King made groups now we have a VC VP who literally invested in this group specifically very connected
(46:15) to PayPal Here we are I mean I don't think this is this wonderful win for the free market I think it's we're being manipulated into saying Central Bank bad but we're ignoring the fact that again the private sector has more ability to restrict user access to Blacklist people to seize funds all the things that the private sector can do because they have you know they can restrict customers because they're a private business a a cbdc potentially wouldn't be able to do that it would be a lot harder it would
(46:41) be they'd have constitutional issues to go up against a lot more paperwork a private company can seize your funds we're seeing tether already you know they just recently hired a guy from chain analysis which is incel funded they've integrated chain analysis uh into their program the FBI the Secret Service they have to play ball hoe lutnick and canor they want to hold hundred billion dollars of treasuries they got to play ball with the public sector and do whatever the regulatory arm of the United States wants but but
(47:10) they are certainly a private sector company yeah all this I mean even going back to um the surveillance to uh predict Mass Shooters facial recognition all of that like when I hear stuff like that particularly like Mass Shooters it's like all right you're gonna just jump to surveilling everybody why don't we look into ssris and their effect on the psyche of people that are that are well a lot of the stuff I mentioned in that regard happened after the El Paso Walmart shooting which was a very questionable mass shooting yeah
(47:46) just on its face that's the other thing mass shooting is like let's look at FBI entament uh there's been plenty of where that the FBI is actually setting these people up to do these things and then facial recognition at the border it's like I I can't go to an airport anymore and not have that face scan in front of me and I have to opt out but just like looking at that it's like no I think we should abolish the TSA and not have this um crazy surveillance society as I'm walking through well wasn't that
(48:16) the policy though of like Libertarians before it was like let's dismantle all the stuff set up after 911 that's like harmful to our freedoms like the TSA or like let's you know I mean but in instead we're getting like this privatized CIA connected version through you know companies like anderl or you know Clear View Ai and all of this other stuff that's either tied to Peter theel or it's tied to some other Silicon Valley oligarch and the idea that we need to like scan our face to be able to
(48:44) vote like why can't we just use driver's licenses or like other physical IDs like why does it have to be all of a sudden this biometric crap that is not just being rolled in the US rolled out in the US right now they're rolling it out in the EU in the UK it's in Chile they're rolling it out everywhere uh globally and it's a I mean it's clearly a global agenda it's the Cornerstone of agenda 2030 the UN sustainable development goals um and a key part of the directly related to those global policing goals
(49:13) of interpole which is like almost every country in the world is a member of Interpol so this is the way they're selling it to the American public as as a solution for uh voter ID issues and for illegal immigration issues which again the illegal immigration situation was allowed to happen it was clearly intentional and considering that like this biometric stuff at the border and as far as digital ID is a bipartisan agenda both parties work together to make the conditions for that to happen one creates the problem and the other
(49:44) sweeps in with the solution uh that everyone's clamoring for because the problem has been allowed to become so bad and I think it's not just with the biometric digital ID you're going to see it with the programmable surveyable currency uh you're going to see it with pretty much everything that's going to be pitched to you as a solution to all of these problems we have but really the solutions are going to just give us you know increased surveillance and March us closer to this techno tyranny that's
(50:11) being that that's been built by the National Security State in close collaboration with the private sector and particularly Silicon Valley um even before 911 happened but obviously after that it got supercharged um in very significant ways and you know I think leading this kind of stuff I mean people need to be a lot more Vigilant because um I mean they're just looking for ways to sell it to people and to manufactur consent for these systems uh ultimately and if it's not working by doing it uh you know if they can't appeal to one you
(50:43) know um one set of talking points isn't working they're going to switch to complete polar opposite talking points but the solution's the same right um and you know again this is the public private partnership uh that we're dealing with stakeholder capitalism um and all of that and actually if you look at the war on domestic Terror framework that was developed during the bided Administration if you are a criticism of any form of capitalism including stakeholder capitalism you can be considered a domestic terrorist by the
(51:14) federal government now so you don't like uh Larry Frink and CLA Schwab's stakeholder capitalism uhoh and also anyone that doesn't like perceived government overreach uhoh that's not good um and what we've seen againa molesting me yeah yeah but what we've seen time and again over the past like 20 plus years is that one Administration put stuff in and then the next administration of the opposing party uses that as building blocks and we've gotten to this like extremely the infrastructure for an extremely
(51:49) dystopian techno tyranny is practically here and I think uh what we're seeing is a major effort to manufactur consent so that a large segment of the population cheers it on as the only possible solution and this really concerns me when you consider that Peter the um is a major funding source for most of the biggest voices in alternative media not to mention the fact that he dominates uh you know the the Investments for rumble which is framed as the you know alternative to YouTube and stuff um and I mean people should be really concerned
(52:22) about that I think considering the paler connection all this data mining stuff uh in the CEO of palente like I don't like Christian conservatives and they've all sort of been hurted on Rumble and so your Rumble account the videos you watch the videos you like what you say in the comments um can we trust that it doesn't get sent off to paler considering the mutual Peter theal connection I don't know I would like someone to ask the rumble people that question um but either way um you know because of the
(52:49) extreme funding um of alternative media by the very few people talk about him and very few people talk about paler and it's been that way for several years um hoping that will change um but the question is like you know obviously the the government the US has now is terrible but I mean people need to think seriously about what the stakes are and how many election Cycles this country can go voting for the lesser of two evils you know um because I mean if you're going to get the same bipartisan surveillance police state
(53:24) agenda uh regardless of who you vote for I mean is that really what we want to keep doing is that really how we fight and stop this um you know I don't I don't think so but you know if I have any sort of reasonable criticism of this bipartisan blob that has been you know uh destroying our society and and implementing all of these like orwellian um Technologies and policies for decades you know people say I love Democrats and I have Trump derangement syndrome um no I don't like any politician I've never backed any of them
(54:00) um I don't know I think they're all organized crime I've been pretty explicit about that but apparently it's you're you know in some circles you can't have the opinion that both are bad anymore you know and and and speaking of manufacturing consent via this you know simulated contrarian narrative who took Rumble public who did their spe it was caner fritzgerald who holds all of the t- bills for tether but I think this idea of yeah this man ufacturing consent via this you know false dichotomy is
(54:30) literally I mean it's like alien dialectics and we're seeing you know one group you know will come in and create a situation will simulate and stimulate a situation and propose a solution get everyone rallied up about that solution and then it it actually ushers us into an unknown but desired by this the this the simulators uh you know outcome and that's sort of you know the the general axum of how hegelian dialectics works and now it's like people are so unaware of how they're being played that the
(54:59) dissident right is cheering on biometric voting and and Border walls just digital ID it's just CRA Co I mean these were the people that were like the most against it yeah right right and I watch you know as someone who you know like I was in the bay during covid I was an anti-vaccine anti- mandate uh dissonant and people were calling me a Trumper uh which didn't make any sense because he was the guy that pushed the vaccine in the first place gave Fouch award did all this this or operation warp speed stuff
(55:28) and now I've really not changed my position at all and now I'm saying why would you ever vote for Trump he was the operation warp speed guy and all this stuff and now I'm being called a libtard and I'm a Biden voter and I love the left and I'm a social commi and it's like no no no I don't want any of this stuff he was wrong then and he's wrong now I've haven't changed but the simulated uh perception of my opinion has now pivoted because they've again used their social networks that they create
(55:59) in this data distribution content distribution they've created X truth Rumble all of these things they have these they have us exactly where we want and they keep us on the reservation on the farm on this in this thought room uh by being able to control exactly what it is that we see algorithmically um and it's extremely dangerous that people don't uh really AR aren't aware of this and and we just we just eat up uh you know this controlled narrative and I think so much of the alternative media now people just have
(56:30) replaced you know CNN in The Daily Show with like Tucker Carlson and Tim p and Rumble and and I'm not saying there isn't good content on Rumble I'm sure that there is uh but all the stuff that's promoted really heavily it's like you know you can start to see these common agendas these common themes like something like Trump was you know saved by God via his assassination attempt or whatever you know you can see these Talking Heads that are incentivized to algo post they're now making money on X
(57:01) as a content creator they only get money based on how much uh interaction they have they're being directly incentivized by the the algo and by the the the money being paid out to content creators to post in a certain way those things get signal boosted we have someone like a jack dorsy at the hrf coming out and saying free speech is a distraction uh we should be really talking about having more algorithms and not open box open source algorithms but just more Choice it's really about Free Will and so
(57:33) they're again pushing us into this false you know this this this simulated outcome this this simulated thesis to say no we don't need to know what these algorithms are they don't need to be open source free speech is a distraction it's about choice of algorithm which is absolutely horeshit when they control all the algorithms they control truth X Rumble YouTube Facebook WhatsApp LinkedIn all the things that you are participating and and and and taking in uh content from Instagram all these networks are are are held by very very
(58:07) similar people that are all in connection with each other and then especially when you look at the VC stuff behind it I mean there's an insane amount of connections between all these people and all of these networks not to mention the internet service providers and and you start to see that there is you know there's there's really honestly seriously a conspiracy against our perception uh via the content algorithms that are manipulated and controlled by these data bearing and here we are and and again it's just I've seen the pH
(58:33) shift happen in real time I've seen the people coming out cheering about Malay uh as he dollariz the country and sells out the minerals to Israel and and brings in JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs and all these people to to help his cabinet and dissolves the right to print money uh why shouldn't he be able to print money that that you're actually taking away a tool from the people uh to be able to do something with yes it's been manipulated by private sector goblins that have jumped into the public
(58:57) sector uh when it's convenient for them but but these are tools that citizens should have if we're free market capitalists you should be able to make money you should be able to create money um but we've been so controlled um and our reaction so so simulated via stimulus um that I think we really have no idea what we're just kind of passively letting happen um so H in the case of Malay though I just want to say that the play there it seems to be if you look at influential people in the Argentinian fintech space case um and
(59:27) also this broader Network that Mark and I have now a couple articles uh writing about the plan there is to use um is to develop stable coins back by Commodities specifically in the case of Argentina grain exports so in that case um you know maybe he might get rid of the Central Bank even um or something like that at some point but instead you're going to have these stable coins tied to Commodities and whoever owns those Commodities which in Argentina I can I can tell you they are all oligarchs a very small connect just like in every
(59:57) other Latin American country it's a small uh group of oligarchs that have been in charge of those respective countries for a very long time you know they own the Commodities and they're going to be basically your Central Bank replacement is that necessarily a better system I mean some people might argue that it is but I think we should also you know look critically at this stuff and as far as what um Mark said on uh on the case of media goes you know as far as subbing out alternative media for mainstream media I think the most
(1:00:27) problematic aspect of that is that people didn't change their relationship with media when they made that switch from mainstream media to Alternative media what do I mean by that whatever the talking head that you're watching says you just believe them and don't think critically and you just uh you know take what they say and believe it um because this person that you trust said it right and that's you know what got us in a lot of trouble as a country with mainstream media and now we've gone
(1:00:55) you know a lot of these people have gone to Alternative Media or people that are seemingly independent and are you know but their same Rel that same relationship with media continues um you know there hasn't been maybe there's been a revolution in in viewership from mainstream to Alternative but there has not been a revolution in um you know just believing whatever people say and critical thought and doing your own research following up checking their sources and I think that really needs to happen as well which is why you know in
(1:01:22) my articles and in Mark I you know we put hyperlinks everywhere so you can see the sources we had and um you know what we used you can look at the re you know at the sources uh for yourself and draw your own conclusions um and I think that is you know people need to be responsible media consumers and that shift hasn't uh unfortunately hasn't happened and I think it really needs to yeah and you see it so much especially and that's why I'm so thankful Marty for the show like tftc to have us on is that
(1:01:52) you know you see so many people that are sponsored uh or that have opportunity for brand deals you know prevent certain type of content coming out that maybe is negative against certain companies or certain infrastructure and you see so many Talking Heads in the Bitcoin space and I don't really like to air dirty laundry and I don't really like to attack people personally like when I wrote the Bitcoin dollar it's specifically about the mechanisms and it has almost no names in the book at all uh there's very few people that were I'm
(1:02:20) actually calling out specifically for building this it's I think it was a lot more important to uh you know understand how the mechanism Works rather than like hey this guy works for this company he's a prick I'm not necessarily saying that now we're kind of starting to name some names because we have to because it's everything's just accelerating um but I think it's it it's really important to know that you know a lot of the Talking Heads in this space are sponsored and and their their consent is is purchased
(1:02:45) and their manufacturing consent for other people um this whole idea of you know uh you know banking the unbanked and all this stuff is you know Bitcoin and and crypto you know being this innately uh you know empowering technology for the for the underprivileged well no actually Bitcoin is so powerful and so crazy with what it is it is what it is that it that it empowers uh Microsoft City PayPal Facebook uh Executives uh as much as it does uh the unbanked guy uh in uh you know in the global South and and I think
(1:03:22) that that mechanism and that understanding is just completely not talked about and by Design because you see a lot of these podcasts and a lot of these people are afraid to have kind of counter narrative to the pro stable coin uh sort of concept which you know really what stable coins are are tokenized US debt and if we're supposed to end Fiat and Bitcoin has this opportunity to replace settlement networks and replace the treasury market as a reserve asset um you know you can argue if it can replace the dollar as a currency but it
(1:03:51) certainly can replace treasuries as as a as a reserve asset uh but we have basically every single pay talking head in Bitcoin coming out and saying you know oh I'm really impressed by stable coin issuers uh you know passion for banking the unbanked and it's just like well no what they're really doing is buying up the the biggest terrorist organization in the world's debt uh and they're perpetuating dollarization which the US Treasury Market has been used as a financial tool to inflict Financial
(1:04:21) terrorism on the global South and now you're claiming that oh actually now we have this private sector company coming in that now has access to all the data all of your purchasing data you know if you're down in South America everybody loves tether they love it they love it so much and I I empathize and sympathize but what are we really pushing them towards we're pushing them towards intelligence linked uh private sector companies that can Blacklist and sell your financial data um you know at a whim not even do they have to sell your
(1:04:49) financial data it's just available on the blockchain and if they have any sort of nation state capability of of data harvesting they can sweep the the uh the blockchain uh and basically uh you know triangulate any purchasing um identity you know using using you know chain analysis tools which again literally chain analysis the company is an incel sponsored company it's a CIA sponsored company so you know here we are uh you know the Bitcoin space consent uh has really been purchased to this this Financial Freedom uh element uh well
(1:05:23) it's Financial Freedom for everybody including the CIA um and that doesn't mean that I think uh you know we should throw away Bitcoin or throw away the ability to have trustless uh Unstoppable uh no trusted third- party settlement that's obviously a state change of money not to mention the monetary policy there is so much that I still love about Bitcoin and think is a state change for Humanity but what we do next is is is extremely important and you can't know what to do next if you don't understand the scope of of what's
(1:05:54) going on here and when you look at some of the work that Whitney's done and you look at this group this cabal of organized crime that has infiltrated the public sector and has infiltrated private banking uh and you see what they've done with back doors uh and the way that they built out this panopticon from a hardware and a software standpoint uh you know that has extreme implications on uh how a Bitcoin system could work and the freedom that actually could come from it from the from the ISP level from the fiber optic cables in the
(1:06:22) ocean from the satellite uh you know data distri bution constellations you know there's so much to be said about how a Bitcoin system actually works uh and there's a lot of orange washing frankly which is sort of a term of like well hey bitcoin's a freedom tool so everything associated with Bitcoin must be freedom and that's just not absolutely not true you can build a whole bunch of things on bitcoin that are very bad uh you know and I think we're starting to see the Finks of the world understand that Bitcoin as a
(1:06:50) ledger can be used uh to put a bunch of data on there uh that's unfuckable and immutable and that's very powerful for people like that to create identity systems to uh you know use it as an asset storage technology for their tokenized debt and I think we're going to see that really go off uh very extremely here uh in in the next few years and it's going to happen via the enabling of regulatory kingming from the public sector before they really kind of dissolve uh you know really the uh the the advantages of being in the public
(1:07:24) sector before we really just disintegrate into the private sector and the private sector has really CED uh you know the government basically in every way unfortunately and once they take private Capital creation just strictly from a technology standpoint information is now money information is now a commodity literally with Bitcoin bits and bites uh you know there's uh there's just a lot to be said there that's all I'll leave it at that no I completely I think I mean obviously I think about this a lot I'm immersed in the Bitcoin
(1:07:58) space uh full disclosure for anybody listening I'm a venture capitalist myself in the Bitcoin space and I do talk to a lot of the people across the industry and even those working on stable coins and that's what I'm trying to discern just personally like is the stable coin thing like going back to like the global South and um utility that it provides individuals there like I think I do think there's a case to be made that a lot of these stable coin issuers were looking to fill demand that was there which were people like I can't
(1:08:30) stomach the price volatility of Bitcoin so I need something stable and they're like all right here's the stable coin and then I what I imagine happen is like the people involved with treasury markets and all these Banks looked at that and they saw that as an inroad um then moving forward I I completely agree we have to be conscious of this expanding and the regulatory Moes being erected because it could really hinder Bitcoin adoption if we're not Vigilant enough and that's why um I'm sure you've
(1:09:01) seen I'm trying to be white pilled I don't want to I don't want to Doom too much and so like things like I'm not sure if you've been following I know we talked about it last time with ch me and Mintz um and Noster a little bit but I think what's beginning to Bubble Up over there gives me a lot of hope that we can avoid um the cooption of the industry if you will I'm not sure if you're seen cie is integrating Noster and Emin into https which would give you like inherent um it would give you like it give you
(1:09:33) inherent privacy like your IP would not be exposed since Noster is and then encrypted like you be able to interact in the web browser using Noster with a way higher degree of privacy and then on top of that if you're using ecash as your um currency there you get you get privacy transactionally um and then on top of that like from stable coins competitor standpoint I'm not sure if you've been following the um the uh development of these stable channels that you can create in these stability pools you can create Within These mints
(1:10:08) but you can essentially create a stable coin like experience that is fully backed by Bitcoin and way more private um and so I think so on both on on both of those points Marty from the from the GetGo from from the incubation of both of those projects uh K is the man I think he's great uh incredibly smart person building really important tools ecash has some limitations but I think it also can do a bunch of things extremely well I wrote a piece called ideal banking uh a couple years ago now I believe it became a chapter in my book
(1:10:41) as well that basically kind of offers this same path forward saying hey maybe Bitcoin can't compete with the dollar as a currency but it certainly can as an asset and so we can use you know chamy and e- Min uh you know like a like a cashew or a Fetti um and and create you know really really nice privacy within within the mint uh you know Amity sets are sort of Beyond The Mint as well but within the mint and using lightning is basically the settlement Network between these mints and we can create a really cool
(1:11:10) Financial system that's really what we should be doing is creating an alternative Financial system that doesn't perpetuate treasuries and that's the issue with these with these these tether and and usdc and PUSD is that they're backed with treasuries and they're buying government debt and that's the problem the problem isn't the dollar the problem isn't someone in Argentina wanting to uh avoid inflation via the peso and have a stable purchasing you know unit that's not the
(1:11:34) that's not the problem again I totally sympathize with that but how do we create those instruments the idea of a dollar uh without perpetuating the biggest terrorist organization in the world and we can use it with we can use technology to do it and we can make back Bitcoin back things um and then again specifically with stable channels I was in Bitcoin aurus and the creator of stable channels came up to me and said hey your Goodwin I read your book I think you've been writing some interesting stuff I used to work and do
(1:12:00) a lot of stuff with banks uh that perpetuated the tokenization of treasuries and I don't want to do that anymore and I came up with this really clever idea of basically creating the idea of a Dollar by having one person on the side of the lightning Channel being long the dollar and one person being short it's all Bitcoin uh and you have some sort of Oracle feeding it and it's it's a price feed and it just sends Bitcoin back and forth to offset what the price of the dollar is uh or what the price of Bitcoin is in dollar terms
(1:12:28) incredibly genius doesn't touch a treasury at all ecash cashew Fetti doesn't touch treasuries at all but it still creates dollares instruments which are again that's a financial tool great so those are awesome but then you look at you know okay well the stable coin bill you know written by lumus and Gill Brand This is a little bit of alpha that's going to be in part two but it we'll we'll we'll do it live uh you know you look at okay teral Luna was sort of the most famous algorithmic back
(1:12:53) stable coin where they were trying to create a US dollar uh instrument backed by Bitcoin uh infamously exploded and led to you know huge issues in the Bitcoin space uh potentially leading to FTX implosion and a bunch of other things well what actually happened there why did Tera Luna blow up why is Gillan brand and lumus in their stable coin Bill literally saying we can't have algorithmic alternatives to stable coins because of look what happened at terraluna again this manufacturing this aalan dialectic of hey let's ban
(1:13:25) algorithmic back stable coins well why we should be able to do that there's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't uh why not who blew up Tera Luna uh again who's to say exactly but 70 over 70% of all value in the Tera network was in this thing called The Anchor protocol at the time of popping that was offering almost 20% plus yields um so all of this this movement was going into the anchor protocol on Tera well who made anchor this guy Ryan out of Korea who was literally paid by Peter teal as a teal
(1:13:59) fellow to build anchor and then they pop teral Luna which is the you know this Infamous uh you know dollar backed algorithmic or sorry Bitcoin backed dollar algo stable coin that's now being used by politicians to say this is an example why we can't do this and this is bad and you can directly connect the reason why it popped to the yield of uh a chain or rather a protocol with the system built by a teal fellow um very interesting that and again I think that these things aren't really accidents when you see that hey he wants to make
(1:14:35) PUSD you know I talked to Walter Hester the head of strategy at paos he says PayPal is uniquely set up to sort of dominate the highly regulated stable coin Market even more so than usdc and usdt um and why is that well because they have inroads in the public sector um they have people advising senators to write specifically hey teruna bad uh we need highly regulated treasury back stable coins because we can't trust those darn bitcoiners to to code um well you could very much so argue that that consent was manufactured by the anchor
(1:15:10) protocol and by the teal fellow ship uh specifically um to create an enabling environment for trillions of dollars of Highly regulated stable coins issued by paxos uh the head of paxos Charles was one of the founding members of coin Center and the chair of coin Center currently is Wes kasaris uh heavily connected with uh you know PayPal um and you know was is the founder of of zapo which is uh you know the first bank to integrate first fully licensed Bank to integrate tether the integrated usdc they built the uh custody uh for uh that
(1:15:46) they eventually sold to coinbase which which houses all of the Bitcoin uh or eight of 11 of the bit the spot Bitcoin ETFs including black rocks like 400 100,000 Bitcoin so you know you you begin to kind of look at well the lobby uh of the public sector is also dominated by these same players uh and and you know you're looking at well hey maybe a lot of these things weren't done um these weren't accidents and maybe that these were simulated control demolitions to lead us into the exact uh pen uh that they want us in yeah for
(1:16:22) what it's worth I met Charles from paas multiple times I personally like him think he's a interesting dude from what I can tell like really gets Bitcoin and that's what I wonder with all the stable coin stuff specifically like is is it a lot of these people like just trying to push things forward and that's what stable coins have been marketed as for for many years as this transitionary tool um that we're going to use until we get to a Bitcoin standard and that's just like the question I have like is
(1:16:54) are when we question the intent of these people is it nefarious from the beginning like um I'm not sure or are they simply trying to solve a market problem then Outsiders are recognizing that they're trying to do this and see that they may be able to coopt it but point being said like I don't think we need these stable coins and going back to the stable coin Bill like when it comes to these stable channels like I think they they would actually be immune from that because you really don't have
(1:17:23) a it's all Bitcoin the end of the day you don't have a token that you're creating like Terra USD or something like that it's literally right just that's why I think those alternatives are so important and should be championed and not the US Treasury perpetuator but I would say quickly and I know I know Whitney's chomping at the bit to get in here but I think this this idea of is this is a mistake or is this not uh it's not a mistake uh I don't think so uh I think that this new system
(1:17:50) this new Financial system was created very specifically uh to use Bitcoin as this underlying energy commodity uh exactly like petrol was used uh when we went off the gold standard which is also an energy commodity uh B metal standards are energy Commodities that takes energy to take stuff out of the ground uh the Bitcoin dollar system uh absolutely started in 20120 oil went negative one month before or or two months before the May uh 2020 happing where bitcoin's relative issuance goes below 2% below the target inflation rate of the dollar
(1:18:22) below the you know gold coming out of the ground um and and so we've basically created this analog to the petrol system where there's this de facto not literal but deao Monopoly of pricing the underlying energy commodity that everyone wants that's highly demanded in dollars uh and you create artificial demand you have to buy dollars first to buy Bitcoin which is something that the Bitcoin system is is is absolutely encouraging now and then you look at well what incoming you know Capital requirements are going to be with the
(1:18:49) basil 3 uh you know regulation that the that the US is looking to adopt uh Bitcoin is consider a liability you're going to have to have all of these uh dollar instruments to offset the price appreciation of Bitcoin so they basically created this wonderful area you can look at Bitcoin as a vacuum for the debt bubble that is the Fiat monetary system the debt monetary system and Bitcoin is ready as a demand in elastic energy commodity to suck up uh the hyperinflation of the dollar what does trillions of dollars of Highly
(1:19:20) regulated stable coins mean it means trillions of dollars of treasuries made which means a lot of monetary printing so I think this idea that maybe it's just this transitionary Tool uh I would say that's not true I'd say it's much more likely that it was literally created by Design much like exactly the way they created the Petro dollar system this time they don't need military force this time it's just economic incentives um but this idea that uh sort of it's uh this this net good as we transition to a
(1:19:48) Bitcoin standard it's like well we don't need to do any of this at all we don't need to yoke Bitcoin to the dollar tether Bitcoin to the dollar uh for any reason at all whatsoever um there's other Alternatives as we've just mentioned that we can do um so I would say that this I think was was designed frankly and wne before you jump in another alternative instead of instead of needing dollars to get Bitcoin just work for Bitcoin go uh set up a z account and barter plug in your plug in your self cust wall and receive Bitcoin
(1:20:18) for your goods and services that's a good way to do it exactly do it here at tftc sorry Whitney no no wor um all I was going to say was just comment on what you brought up about like intent right so when talking about expressly you know PayPal backed entities since Mark spent a lot of time talking about PUSD specifically I think a really good example in terms of looking at intent um is something like Kaa which is um this sort of this micro Finance uh platform that framed itself as direct peerto peer lending or
(1:20:50) micro lending and it turned out it wasn't actually directly peerto peer a few years after it launched but the main people behind that are people like Pier midar the eBay uh founder who obviously has a lot of direct ties to PayPal since he has owned it since 2002 um and then you had people like Reed Hoffman from the so-called PayPal Mafia um on the board you also had wies casares on the board for some time I don't believe he's there anymore but Reed Hoffman still is and a lot of the other people including
(1:21:16) the people that created Kea hail from PayPal or the hail from eBay or the idar network or you know but essentially we're in the eBay PayPal family here when we're talking about Kea uh and Kea framed itself for a long time when it first launched as banking the unbanked or banking the unbankable which is similar to the uh the talking points that have you know been used with with stable coins right so as time has gone on what happened is that yeah people in these areas that were being banked by Kaa or being you know receiving these
(1:21:47) loans through Kaa um over time became more you know like dependent um on that service and they also so you know I guess gained trust among among this particular base and then Kaa launched something called the Kea protocol uh and then teamed up with the UN to go in these countries where they had become a major part of the economy for these so-called unbankable and uh they have now imposed a digital ID uh on these countries in places like I believe uh Sierra Leon um as as an example um but they're they're doing it across the
(1:22:21) board in direct coordination with the UN of course part of the whole like digital ID agenda backed by the UN sponsored public private partnership ID 2020 brought to you by Bill Gates and the Rockefellers and all of these guys uh right so and and you know the framing of it is oh it's not just going to be you know your your government ID it's going to be your key to Banking and uh it's going to have your credit history and it's also going to have uh all your health data and all of this stuff I mean
(1:22:50) basically an exact uh replica of you know what the world economic forum and un plans for digital ID are you know on these people and you know on on you know the so-called unbanked or the unbankable are often you know voiceless people vulnerable people um and people that don't really uh know that these particular agendas are are you know rolling out uh on the global level so um you know and I think also when you look at sort of this particular Network as it relates to PayPal which we do uh in our most recent Pace piece you know chain of
(1:23:24) custody at how they frame um you know either their philanthropy or their sponsorship of entrepreneurs in places like Latin America and Africa it's framed under Al altruistic terms but when you actually look um at what these people's motives are for doing it uh you know something else definitely emerges and I think that's particularly particularly true if you look at someone either like Pier midar or someone like Reed Hoffman uh who spent a lot of his you know in Hoffman's case a lot of his quote unquote philanthropy um has been
(1:23:53) you know for uh fighting like Shadow Wars and political campaigns and like creating um you know false flags that didn't happen and all of this weird stuff that he funded through like these shadow groups called acronym and all of this stuff um you know and a lot of it just uh as we discuss in the article turns out to be like influence pedaling for this particular group that isn't to say that every stable coin that says banking the unbanked is just like these guys but this particular Network that we're talking about here whether like
(1:24:22) eBay PayPal you know that particular crowd and obviously the same crowd that's behind py USD um you know this is the kind of stuff they've done before when they've used a lot of these same uh talking points I guess and considering that you have people like WIS kasaris involved who you know also is or at least he was involved and then went on to zapo and all of that and this idea that zapo was going to be the bridge between uh stable coins uh the dollar and Bitcoin and bring it all together and his past ties to PayPal and also to
(1:24:51) like Facebook's DM project you know their attempt at uh a stable coin I guess you know I mean uh you know I I find that a little bit concerning definitely I do as well and the and that's another thing I think we talked about this last time you guys were on too like narrative crafting and manufactured consent and that's one thing uh I've been trying to again like similar to what I did with ESG five years ago it's happening this cycle now Bitcoin doesn't compete with the dollar it's like not money it's commodity it's
(1:25:25) real estate property whatever you want to call it it's like no Bitcoin is money it is competing with the dollar um and every other currency for that Ma matter whether they be Fiat currencies or cryptocurrencies and we need to own that and get ahead of that because that's from a framing perspective within the Bitcoin industry I think that is something that could really trip us up in the future if we go along with bitcoin's just property it's this commodity it doesn't compete with the dollar and then lo and behold
(1:25:57) bitcoin price goes up it becomes easier to spend it more people want to receive it it is obviously competing with the dollar as a monetary asset the government's like well you guys told us it wasn't competing with the dollar so we have to like come in and down with the hammer like we should just own it from the beginning be like no this is competing with the dollar we don't like the dollar system we think it's inherently corrupt and this monetary system is much more open transparent and morally aligned with the future that
(1:26:23) people want to see but Michael sailor says that we shouldn't fight the dollar and we should you know no but uh yeah no for 100% I think I think you are seeing M uh you know narrative uh carving or whatever the phrase was that you used that was better than the word I just said but you are seeing it in the Bitcoin space um and you're seeing huge people come in like a Larry think pushing uh Bitcoin as digital gold or or or in this way that's that's not really this peer-to-peer currency and I'm not trying to go total
(1:26:56) Roger ve hijacking Bitcoin thing or bcash I think bcash is a bad idea because of the centralizing effects of Big Blocks um but this idea that you know hey well our bags are going to go up uh so we should just sit back and be passive because we're rich now uh is super lame that's not why we're here I think we are here to have a state change of money and take the power back uh from the the debt pardoning uh levers the state via VIA the the central bank and Via this this this Ponzi scheme that is the treasury market we're here to
(1:27:31) defang that because it's an extremely powerful political tool that they use to you know wage war on the on the world uh with the treasury market so let's let's not let Bitcoin become a ledger where we store dollars uh and store treasuries and tokenize debt uh because that's what they want to do and you know they're not just going to tokenize debt or dollars they're going to tokenize pretty much everything they're going to tokenize the Earth they're going to tokenize carbon um they're going to push all that ESG
(1:27:58) think didn't just start you know stop being an ESG guy not at all uh you know because it's politically convenient you know he's been building these structures with you know hugely important groups World Bank un uh you know Whitney's written a ton about you know sort of the green Finance uh system and these guys haven't just forgot about that um it's just convenient for them right now to push Bitcoin as digital gold price out a bunch of people from you know we might even already kind of
(1:28:26) be there you know how many you know America's probably the highest purchasing economy in the world uh the best positioned um most people in the United States can't afford a hold Bitcoin and that's just going to continue to get worse and worse as Bitcoin does you know inevitably I would say cross six figures and and and maybe even seven figures here in the in the incoming decade as that happens more and more people will be priced out it will be harder and harder to transact on the base layer and to actually have the
(1:28:51) power that we enjoy as early adopters or earlyish adopters and I think the only responsibility bitcoiners have is to leave Bitcoin as permissionless and as accessible as it was when we got there and that changes a lot economically and and and programmably uh as more and more people use it and as Bitcoin gets more and more expensive you know what Bitcoin actually does is it purchases Ledger space you know that's really all that it can purchase it it's it's it's the bits in the in The Ledger um to you know
(1:29:22) basically uh describe your spending conditions um and as more and more people get on the Bitcoin Network and as Bitcoin gets more and more expensive um it actually becomes harder to have permissionless settlement uh for the users of of Bitcoin and that that pool of people being able to access permissionless settlement is going to get smaller and smaller which seems sort of backwards early adopters get richer less and less people are actually able to to use Bitcoin and then they're forced to use you know treasury
(1:29:52) perpetuating tokenized debt systems like like stable coins in lie of actually being able to access Bitcoin and hold their keys so I think this is a really important time not to get too soap boxy but it's just so important as consent is being manufactured and and we're being fattened up I mean quite literally uh you know we're we're pigs feeding on Larry Fink's uh you know inflationary effects of of Bitcoin price and and now where're you know a lot of people I think are just losing the ethos
(1:30:22) completely um of what made Bitcoin special and what made Bitcoin interesting and we just really got to get back to what we're here for I think you know I I don't think we should trust a trump I don't think we should trust the state moving into Bitcoin like like the way that they are um we should we should understand and have learned by now there's alterior motives for the adoption of Bitcoin no I completely agree but I think all this was inevitable like people getting priced up particularly at transactions at the
(1:30:51) protocol level just like the nature of scarce block space and increase option but then going back like that's why I'm so bullish on chamy and mints yes they may be more centralized than peer-to-peer transactions at the protocol level but they are permissionless in the sense that anybody can spin up a mint it's open source code that anybody can go Implement and try to provide a service to a market and allow people to U accumulate eash tokens commensurate with Bitcoin um over time cheaply privately um and so that's where
(1:31:24) I think the when it comes to this particular discussion about scaling Bitcoin in a permissionless f like fashion to as many people as possible I think it is abundantly clear that's never going to happen at the protocol level and so what can we do to ensure that we build these layers above Bitcoin that are that are tightly aligned with the per permissionless nature of the protocol level and that's why I'm infinitely bullish on these mints and I I do say I think we may have mentioned this before but if not Bears uh
(1:32:00) repeating which is like this like how finny identified this in December of 2010 where it's like not everybody's going to be able to track be able to transact on the protocol level like we're going to need to build these Bitcoin Banks and this was before the reemergence of chamy a minz on top of Bitcoin but I think what he described in that bitcointalk.
(1:32:21) org poost is coming to fruition via these mints and it's really imperative that I agree with you that we begin to highlight these Technologies and this particular way to leverage Bitcoin as opposed to centralized stable coins or any other centralized uh technology that the the Borg wants to build on top of Bitcoin and try to funnel people into yeah financial services are necessary for scaling an economic system uh trust is okay uh not everything not trust can't be replaced by ones and zeros there's a lot of things that can't
(1:32:56) be done but I think this this perversion of of bitcoin's blockchain to become uh storage of of dollars when you know we have PayPal we have venmo we have all these you know centralized trusted programs and now we're just building it again and pretending it's trustless uh I think it's kind of sad uh in general that the the space has been so co-opted by by these groups when it's like oh cool like we digitize the dollar again we tokenized debt again uh this is some big innovation I I think it's it's
(1:33:29) pretty lame like there's a lot of Bitcoin is really complicated and stupid and blockchains are really clunky and dumb and slow uh and to build up all this thing and have this you know 10,000 iterations of the blockchain scattered across the world and then just to reduce that back down to trusted dollar instruments I think is is is obviously dumb so yeah I think we're on the same page but um you know there's a lot of people in this space that want to turn Bitcoin into place to just stash dollars in debt uh and you know carbon credits
(1:33:58) and and all these things so yeah it's worth saying that you know one of the pioneers of of trading electronic US Government debt and you know that's intimately involved with tler Kor Fitzgerald we also the pioneers of electronic carbon credit trading like in the late 90s early 2000s they've always been into that a lot of these guys have if you look at it so yeah but like like whether I mean I don't think Larry think has changed his mind about ESG I think he's taking a step back and trying to reorient and
(1:34:29) think about the next iteration of that he's trying to Rebrand yeah exactly and but that like it's ESG I mean carbon credits fallen or the bucket of ESG I think these Dooms these things are just doomed for failure um in the the lust for power and the attempt to funnel people into these products um with the with the intent that it will allow them to control more things it's very hubristic in the sense that it ignores economic reality which is these things fundamentally don't make sense but that's what the public sector does
(1:35:01) regulation ignores economic reality all the time they force us to buy carbon credits yeah well you know I think too like if if we allow ourselves to be onboarded to these digital ID systems and this you know these Financial surveillance systems these programmable surveill currencies um that they've been developing then it's going to be much easier for them once everyone's dependent on those new systems uh to force things like carbon credits on people and I think that's part of the plan because the same people that are
(1:35:30) The Architects of the digital ID stuff at the UN um you know people like Mark Carney and Mike Bloomberg I mean they're all in for this carbon credit stuff they're arguably architects of that entire system in the whole like stakeholder capitalist model and ESG stuff they love all that stuff and I don't think they have any intention of abandoning that market just because people don't like it I think they're waiting for the right time that once they have people onboarded to these systems enough and there's this insane
(1:35:57) surveillance state in place where like you know your face is your ID and all of this stuff um and they can just track everything you do and everywhere you go and whatever um and smartphones become more invasive and we're at you know this this point too where like uh in the next couple years all the brain machine interfaces are going to roll out like neuralink and whatever for commercial use at least allegedly I mean you know it gets kind of crazy then uh and I think at that point it will be much easier for them to impose this kind of
(1:36:27) stuff that in the current environment would be a hard sell it becomes a much easier sell once you have those kind of systems in place and I think that's why um you know like in un documentation about the SGS um without digital ID uh so many of them just don't work right uh and se you know the digital ID stuff in the stgs is built within sg16 which is intimately tied up I mean Interpol is the implementing partner for sg16 it's about building strong institutions and like uh ensuring peace but if you look at the um nuts and bolts
(1:37:05) of it as Ian Davis and I uh have done in our in our work on the SG specifically su16 it's about uh completely controlling speech online uh sens you know complete blanket sensorship of of dissent is a key part of manufacturing piece here uh no one's disagreeing online anymore so I guess we've solved the hate speech problem oh no well you just like censored the crud out of like people talking um you know that's not exactly the same or giving like Interpol all this power to basically become a de
(1:37:38) facto like Global police organization which is what it's been angling to be for a very long time quite frankly um but you have like you know people like um you know like I mentioned earlier the idea of this biometric entry exit thing you know that's the stgs and interpole it's tied up with the digital ID stuff uh and the financial inclusion agenda of the un uh but you know all of the stuff is is is very bad uh when you look at you know what it's building toward and if we have that kind of system or like
(1:38:10) you know peace through surveillance Mass surveillance and like peace through a police state and all of that stuff like yeah I mean you you can have an extremely authoritarian totalitarian government impose order on a society or whole Nations or the world uh and you can say that's peace um but that's not really what most people think of when they see the flowery description that they give of sg16 but when you read what it's actually about you know a very different picture emerges and they can't
(1:38:43) do it without digital ID they can't do it without implementing this whole um you know Ser surveillance panopticon and they're relying hugely on the on private sector Partners uh to build that right but again as we've discussed you know before and as is noted a lot in this piece um you know that panopticon has been a public private partnership it's been these private companies uh the same network of Silicon Valley oligarchs who oddly enough all have some sort of Jeffrey Epstein connection that's how
(1:39:11) close snit they all are um have you know I have done it with like you know inel funding or some sort of you know Federal backing um of some variety and almost all of them I'm pretty sure all of them actually of the biggest tech companies are government contractors either for the military or intelligence or other parts of the government so you know I don't really think it's it you know it's it's fair to talk about some of these VC firms as as just you know Venture capitalists and you know their free
(1:39:42) market capitalists and you know American success story stuff I mean they're there because a particular Network like selected them and ensured their success and there's a lot of um you know incubators for those type networks around the one we focus on and and the piece we've sort of been mentioning on and off today um is called Endeavor it's backed by the bromfman family which you know comes up a lot in my books as it relates to the Epstein Scandal um and also Pier midar of eBay um and has a lot
(1:40:10) of ties to the the PayPal Network because Reed Hoffman is one of their main dudes and they've developed a lot of these entrepreneurs in the in in the global South that are now dominating you know fintech in places like Argentina and Beyond um and have all these ties with you know if you look at some of these Endeavor companies like satad logic uh that we've talked about before you have the involvement of people like Steve minuchin and caner Fitzgerald and like a lot of these debt barrings in the in in these intelligence link satellite
(1:40:38) companies and stuff I mean there's a lot of very uh disturbing uh plays going on right now and I think it's really not getting enough um scrutiny and oddly enough you know we're kind of in the situation where if you're uh you know on Twitter a lot for example you're being told that you know some of these billionaires are the only thing that stands between us and total tyranny to quote uh to paraphrase the recent tweet from Michael shellenberger right um and so this idea that like these billionaires or or are
(1:41:08) the answer to all of our problems I mean Trump's a billionaire too right I mean it's just um kind of crazy that people have have been led to believe that the only thing we can do as a country and as a society is Place uh our entire future in the hands of a very small network of billionaires the the answer to all of our problems is always surveillance that's that's the Democracy uh we need we need surveillance and ID uh the oceans uh we need to uh to to surveil them pic Sur surveillance poop surveil
(1:41:43) the animals surveil the border the Border issues uh we need to surveil more um and then you see I mean yeah like you mentioned s of logic tether gave them 30 milon million dollar uh you know in April um why is why is tether investing in Black Rock neurotech um why are they investing in all this AI stuff why are they investing in Satellite observation companies yeah someone needs to explain to me why banking the unbanked tether is is is investing so heavily in brain machine interfaces you know and satellites like what why for what for
(1:42:18) what reason aren't they aren't they uh empowering the global South like why do they need to look at them with satellites I don't yeah run by uh you know chair the board is chaired by Steve minuchin of the former treasury secretary you know and and and Howe lutnick of canor the head of former head of the US like military basically is on the board too Dunford yeah Marcos Galpin who's endeavor's first success story who is the head of Marcato Libre which is basically the Amazon eBay yeah of of
(1:42:45) Argentina of Latin America really in general you have the head of caterpillar on there which um again if you want to sort of look at you know maybe we're moving towards commodity back stable coins well then that puts all of this power into the oligarchs not only the oligarchs that that own all of the fields and all of the wheat but also the manufacturers manufacturers of the machines that can you know farm at a scale big enough to have uh agriculture commodity back stable coins you got you got you got them on there and satle
(1:43:13) logic is like surveilling the the grain stuff yeah uh already with the plan to you know do that and they already have a company in Argentina called AGR tokens backed by visa and all of that that's U trying to advance that play as it relates to Argentina's agricultural sector but the last time we talked about cytologic Mark Marty it was because they were trying to impose this uh carbon Market with with this network of companies right so again um you know the these are efforts I I think what we're
(1:43:45) going to see from this particular network is unprecedented efforts to create new markets where markets have not existed before so a lot of this is being done through the um real world asset tokenization frenzy um and the push to uh you know move into natural Capital which uh I know we've talked about for actually a couple years now um in in the idea of like securitizing natural resources or the Global Commons the world's oceans um rivers lakes streams um and all of that um the guy that invented uh you know Carbon markets
(1:44:20) really um Richard sander who's like an ex Burnham Lambert guy uh and created you know helped create derivatives and stuff um he wants to create you know a private Market sort of like the carbon Market but for clean air and water so get ready for your de facto air tax guys um I mean this is but I mean these are people making money and they want to make markets and the way these this crowd uh makes markets I mean I always go back to this Larry fin quote where he says markets like totalitarian governments totalitarian government can
(1:44:54) pose markets no one wants on the population like I mean this is what H this is the China model you know this is why people like Larry think like love it over there the federal government comes in to help out the markets it's like centralized control for the purpose of creating controlled markets and if it this was a free market play uh people would be like no I don't want to why do we need this stuff like there's no need for it and they can try and manufacture consent through the need through climate change uh you know fear
(1:45:23) Ing and whatever but at the end of the day it hasn't worked so how do they get it well they have to have governments impose it on people um and when you have a complete surveillance panopticon it's much easier to impose that on people than it otherwise would be and they have all these markets lined up to uh impose on us a lot of it involves you know the complete destruction of the natural world really um and you know just complete Financial Madness and what are all these asss denominated in dollars they're dollar denominated assets and so
(1:45:58) that it allows another place for the US government to shovel highly inflationary effects from from printing a lot of money which we know they have to do to be able to service the now $34 trillion do of debt The Debt Service is now outpacing the growth of our GDP it's out it's outpacing our military budget um so they need to find places to create artificial demand for dollars and they do that by putting a price tag on the trees in your backyard and the methane coming out of your ass and they do that and they dollar denominate it and now
(1:46:27) you're uh you're perpetuating the US Treasury Ponzi Market because you ate uh some pinto beans you know yeah well I mean that that was the satle logic play like talking about measuring carbon emissions from space I mean they want to try and surveil this stuff from space so they can charge you for it this is a market right but it's a market no one wants and it's crony capitalism to the core yeah and Teal's telling you find a market that no one else is doing because competition means price War which means
(1:46:59) bad for Revenue find a market that no one else is doing no one else can possibly do this no one else can build uh observationist preservation carbon credit blockchain Market that's backed by US dollar instruments that's tokenized debt that's upheld by a surveillance network of satellites that's upheld by oligarchs that own the grains in Argentina no one no one can establish that market other than an extremely specific group of people and guess what they're all on the board of SATA logic and guess what uh they're all
(1:47:32) connected to Endeavor um they're all connected to uh you know a lot of this this this PayPal Mafia this this group that you know Whitney has really done the work of of of really uh mapping out you know this mob connected intelligence connected uh you know Banker data broker debt Baron uh cabal frankly uh you know that is that is really just kind of taken over the private and the public sector um One Nation Under blackmail is now one world under blackmail and they're shoving this this this debt which is so useful to them onto the
(1:48:04) natural world and and and and buying up all of our data with it it's it's uh incredibly disturbing frankly no it really is and going back to it just repeating what I said earlier like the like from a first principal perspective all this is built on I mean you mentioned it Whitney like the Cent hysteria that's out there like well we need to put these carbon markets and put the satellites up there to track all this because we have existential climate change which I plan on having some scientists who
(1:48:36) recently released a peer- reviewed paper that claims and they would like to say proves it's absolute because they're manipulating the data um over time and they use fear that's like whether it's the carbon markets or the surveillance and the digital IDs it's all either wrapped in some cataclysmic event due to climate change or terrorist uh get back like TSA like we should what what did what did 911 what did 911 create it created this state that we're talking about this panopticon of of of
(1:49:08) the security state that was the private sector 9911 created all of that there would be no consent for any of this stuff uh if it wasn't for 911 uh and then you go and look at the official story 911 and and everything that was going on there and I don't want to get you that demonetized I think we've already done enough here uh to to attack your channel but you know but no for sure well I well frankly you know I don't necessarily feel super comfortable going out in on in on here anyway but just you know that why do we have Larry
(1:49:37) Ellison coming out and doing a huge op at at the New York Times immediately after 911 being like we need a central depository for everyone's data and we could have prevented 9911 you know a literal CIA front uh coming out you know demanding a central Repository for uh for all of all of our citizens data yeah well that was also the main argument from the intelligence Community about their failure to predict 911 was that oh like all the data between intelligence agencies is siloed so we need to combine it all into one thing and the people
(1:50:08) that made that argument like the cia's Chief Information officer Alan Wade again tied up with the Maxwell family through Kad uh he he's you know one of the guys that helped create total information awareness as the answer to that and now it's paler right so um you know even if we like we were talking about earlier we get this shift where they they dismantle uh these public agencies and name only um they've been moving to the private sector for a long time I mean you could argue that's what
(1:50:38) inq tells all about and why all the big Tech uh firms that are dominating our lives right now all have like significant intelligence connections um you know the CIA has always really been a private thing uh in some capacity when you consider that all of the earliest members and directors were directly from Wall Street they were either Wall Street lawyers or Wall Street Bankers a lot of the cia's earliest coups were done expressly to benefit US national multinational corporations not necessarily US National Security
(1:51:09) arguably the opposite on many occasions um and it's all been about protecting markets and this includes the drug Market uh which you know organized crime has long dominated and then as I've you know noted in my books pretty extensively organized crime merged with intelligence in the' 40s um even before the CIA uh existed and their big markets were drugs and you know sex traffic human trafficking and all of that and then you know the intelligence agencies got in those businesses and are protecting those rackets uh why was the
(1:51:38) CIA the first boots on the ground during the Afghanistan Invasion which was arguably about you know the Banning of uh opioid cultivation and oil pipelines and all of that stuff it's about protecting markets almost all the time and that's why you know recently I've sort of been trying to frame the CIA as Wall Street secret police um you know that's essentially what happens and it's the oligarchs the moneyed people in the United States that um really you know that's who the cia's been answering to
(1:52:06) for a long time and these are the guys that are now backing like you know the Silicon Valley Titans and all of that I mean it's um you know maybe they're going to change the facade the system wears but um you know it's it's going to be the same ultimately at the end of the day and that's why you know I'm I'm so critical of what you know appears to be shaping up here because I think it's just another effort to Hoodwink us and saddle us with something that's uh just as orw orwellian and terrible um as what
(1:52:36) the CIA was trying to do decades ago I mean the agenda has marched forward and if it move if it's coming from the private sector the public sector who cares it's like terrible for human Freedom um on all counts right so uh anyway I guess getting I don't know how long ago did I freeze it's like 10 seconds ago 30 seconds ago 30 seconds wow time flies uh do you need me to like wrap that up again I forgot what I was kind of saying you were in the process of wrapping it up um you're worried about
(1:53:10) the narratives because I wanted to interject um it's interesting it's so multifaceted and so discombobulating right because you have the cultural War stuff going on too and that's one thing no that I'll just admit like to me I am optimistic about uh like again going back to lesser of two evils maybe not from like the economic or surveillance thing just like culturally I think we've gotten so divided here in the United States and I do think things have gone to insane andain extense and like
(1:53:49) particularly like with the state interjecting between the family the parents and the children um just crazy lawlessness in terms of uh attorney generals and District Attorneys not actually um abiding by laws decimating the police force and letting people go rob and steal things so for me as an individual looking at the choices and particularly in the context of the cultural War it's like the message that the what seems to be incoming Administration is putting out there in terms of like we're going to bring back
(1:54:22) um Justice and we're actually going to abide by the laws um things like Chevron Defence that the Supreme Court Court just overturned like that's a really good signal to me and like these are things that I would like to see happen but and then as you guys bring up It's always important to be aware of these other things that could really hinder financial and just um just Freedom generally if we get thrown into this financialized panopticon yeah well the the problem here is that you know especially considering the big silly Valley backing
(1:54:56) of of whichever party wins in November um there's been a huge Silicon Valley uh Push by these same players we're talking about that are tied to intelligence and advancing the surveillance State into basically dominating law enforcement um and this idea of replacing you know uh oh there's less police officers so let's replace them with AI let's put facial recognition everywhere um and identify people that we say are suspects um I mean they been doing that in places like the UK um and then have found out that
(1:55:26) their facial recognition um you know algorithms are like extremely inaccurate but they don't change anything anyway uh which is uh if you look at some of the um you know Inspirations uh of paler specifically you know it's about goes back to this philosophical the philosophical development of the panic panopticon that people obey when they just know they're being watched uh no one actually has to be watching just knowing that you are being watched uh induces a subservient submissive obedient behavior and um you know and in addition
(1:56:02) to that I mean the idea that like a lot of a lot of law enforcement and also Emergency Services 911 call centers are all being moved to a lot of intelligence linked uh platform so in the case of law enforcement a lot of them are being onboarded into the software program uh produced by this company called Mark 43 uh David Petraeus and is like one of their backers the former CIA director um along I think Jeff Bezos is one too and a lot of other you know intelligence linked figures um are on that list specifically and then carbine 911 has
(1:56:35) basically uh made a a move to dominate uh the Next Generation 911 call system because there's a push to move away from sort of the decentralized uh emergency call model that the US has had for a long time where it's uh you know County specific move it to a whole Nationwide system uh and carbine carbine is set to have that they were backed by Peter the's Founders fund very heavily and have Founders fund people on the board um and they also have uh currently DHS people uh like Trump one of Trump's DHS
(1:57:06) heads and one of the Bush era DHS heads um on the board as well and they were backed really heavily by Jeffrey Epstein originally launched out of people who came from Israel's unit 8200 it used to be essentially led by ahud Barack the former Israeli Prime Minister heads of uh former commanders of Israeli intelligence agencies on the board of directors no longer but it was that way at the beginning um and basically when you call 911 with your smartphone into a system that runs carbine 911 uh you agree to basically allow them to pull
(1:57:38) all of this data off of your phone essentially data mine everything on your smartphone device for the purpose of helping locate you and uh also determining through another um component of their system uh where past crime have occurred and where crimes are likely to occur in the future uh I.E pre- crime uh which is something that really all of this has been building to for some time so um you know unfortunately a lot of what the sales pitches are again I go back to this whole you know idea of problem reaction solution that you have
(1:58:09) one party create the problem and the other party come in and offer the solution you know Democrats have dismantled a lot of the law enforcement stuff and uh that's resulted in a lot of increased feelings of insecurity and actual insecurity depending where you live in the United States um and this and arguably what's going to happen now and what's sort of being set up is that the solution is like no we need to uh use technology uh to get because it's more efficient and because there's less
(1:58:37) people and yada yada yada um and we need to you know onboard law enforcement onto all of these uh different uh platforms and software that are either tied with AI or run an AI on AI and Biometrics and and all of that um so I don't you know I think there's a lot of setups here for this particular system that they've wanted to have in place uh if you look at the history of it for many decades and that it's essentially been building up here um but they need people's consent uh to do it right because if
(1:59:09) everyone isn't an uproar about it they don't do it um and you know unfortunately I you know I don't know how um how many people I can necessarily convince about this stuff but I you know I'm going to keep trying to do my best about it I guess um but I think a lot of people are being had right now um and I think if you look at the same uh at the funders of all of this it's quite clear the type of world that they've been trying to build um I mean in the case of Biden you know the person that's been
(1:59:39) his techar has been former Google CEO Eric Schmidt who's on the steering committee of the globalist closed door uh conference known as Bilderberg with Peter theel they're actually Newsweek named theal and Schmidt the most influential members is it Bilderberg on the steering committee and basically you know argued in a 2019 article that Bilderberg factions were divided along you know along their two lines they agree on a lot more than they don't agree and they agree on a lot of the stuff discussed at Bilderberg which
(2:00:07) ultimately advances this whole like Global tyranny agenda uh that a lot of people got wise to during covid and have seemingly forgotten again um but they they back both parties it's a uni party and I think enough people have learned that one point or another and learn that uh hopefully we'll learn if not this election cycle I don't know when that continually voting for the lesser of two evils is just you're still voting for evil right um is this really the best we can do and people say it's the only
(2:00:38) choice we have I mean it's not uh you you can take personal responsibility build Solutions and also not comply I mean if we have enough people not comply with the digital ID stuff and the biometric stuff um it won't work and that's what a lot of people said during the VAC passport stuff during covid is like don't comply with the vaccine passport you know uh this is a trial for something they want to roll out that's going to be much worse than just vaccines uh but could be tied to that too potentially in the future you know
(2:01:05) you don't take a particular vaccine you can your freedom of movement can be restricted again or you say the wrong thing online your freedom of movement can be restricted this world is being built and it's being built by both parties um and I think some people just uh don't really want to face that reality and and find it doom and gloom and super blackpilling uh when I talk about this but it actually should be super white pilling that like it's very easy to not comply well maybe not necessarily easy but we're all capable
(2:01:33) of not complying and the more people that don't comply the better chance of success we have um and so I don't know I guess I'll get off my soap box there no no stay stay on there but but I think I think you're totally right about the that it should be white pilling in the sense of you know this isn't my quote but you know if the situation was hopeless the propaganda would be unnecessary and if they didn't need to you know manufacture consent for us to comply if they didn't actually need that
(2:01:59) they wouldn't spend all the money and all the time and the manh hours to create these like fake counternarratives and these these false Messiahs and these people that we look up to they they would just they would just make it happen they wouldn't try to manufacture aranson so there's so much power that we have as individuals and as collectives to push back by not complying uh and if the uh you know if this was useless and hopeless it was over they wouldn't go through all of this work so I think that you know this
(2:02:29) net is about to be cast this panopticon is about to be uh soldered in uh the satellites are about to be uh you know unstoppably launched in Space the blockchains are about to be built the infrastructure providers are about to be captured um you know we have we have an extremely important opportunity here uh to push back and to not comply uh even if they're going to give us Ubi and stable coin backed uh you know payments for the for the uh rights to the carbon in our backyard you know whatever the that they're going to uh try to
(2:03:01) incentivize us to do um we cannot comply we can push back uh and there's a reason why they're doing it and it's because they need our consent they need our compliance uh and and let's not give it to them yeah completely agree and going back to problem reaction solution framing the hegelian dialectic it and particularly as it pertains to like we've had crime waves and open borders and like all right now we got to replace it with uh AI surveillance and pre- crime it's like again that's
(2:03:32) another instance where you point at you're like actually you're not solving the core of this problem like number one uh we have proven throughout time that we have been able to um enforce laws and properly put people in jail for murdering and robbing people um we've been able to do that before we don't need to replace it with pre- crime like we just need to go back to that and then even a layer below that like what are the conditions that are leading people to a life of crime which is a bad economy and I would argue a bad economy
(2:04:04) bad family lives bad food that make them hyperactive and the um a lot of people in a state of despair where they don't think they have the ability to pull themselves up from their bootstraps and climb the social ladder or even if they don't want to climb the social ladder just remain where they are um and so they're forced into a life of crime and so by like saying like no we just need pre- crime and all this AI it's like well you're actually still not solving the the core of the problem which is
(2:04:32) more psychological social and economic where we need good money we need people to have the ability to save money and live a comfortable life so that they're not incentivized to go create crimes and on top of that let's fix the food so people aren't eating like which up their brains makes them think in a hyperactive f like none of those conversations are happening out in the mainstream or even in a lot of Independent Media in the same way that you know we're we're such perceptive creatures you know we you
(2:05:04) know we are what we eat we are what we consume uh and if we're on these platforms where we're being fed very specific things that are targeted specifically to our demographic uh you know they're they were able to simulate uh literal brain waves and and behavior and thus action and thus they can simulate and stimulate compliance uh uh you know in in any demographic that they want you know very specifically so I think it's probably a good time you know we were talking about this earlier like you know it's election season maybe sign
(2:05:36) off maybe maybe maybe take a break you know maybe go to publish only yeah if you don't want your brain to be fried and you want to feel like more sane than you do now probably best to like minimize yeah Assange was released like how many weeks ago Trump was attempted assassinated a couple days days ago the VP I mean it's just we haven't even discussed so many things that should be huge Global News you know barely get any get any play anymore uh you know everything is so hyper normalized and moving so fast and if we understand you
(2:06:05) know who are these data Barons uh you know they're they're the new debt barrons uh and they control these infrastructure they control what we're consuming which which affects how we think and what our reality is uh you know we need to make sure we're really careful about what we ingest uh in every way yeah no it's it's very important I've been I've been very online the last five days um which and and I can feel it myself like that's why I'm happy I talked to you guys today and I've been
(2:06:34) having conversations off of Twitter with people um and yeah it's very it's very discombobulating it's funny Whitney because we've talked probably two or three times over the last 12 months and I think every time we've talked it's like the election season's going to get crazy like you're going to be you're going to be yeah it's going to get crazier than it's been this past week I'm sure yeah like this is just like the pre RNC nomination warmup you know just wait till the Democrats are like a total
(2:07:05) intentional in my opinion cluster uh and it's just going to be like can you believe that this is happening I mean I don't know I think that's just going to be so ridiculous as we get closer to it and I think they just want people like outraged and angry and like very emotional because when people are like very triggered and very emotional they're not critical thinkers um and uh you know pretty much ever since Co the agenda of you know the world economic forum and all the elites has been to rebuild trust uh the trust they lost
(2:07:34) during Co and all of that and so by having all of these like emotional triggers you know one after the another after another I mean a lot of it seems like it's trying to cultivate um you know PE a certain segment of the population like make them trust or you know practically in some cases Maybe even uh Beyond trust into like borderline worship um some of these figures that have been held up to us as you know the the solution to all of our problems um and you know no no one person is going to get into the White
(2:08:05) House and solve all their problems even if he's great and not a lesser of two eil candidate you know um and I think again that uh Americans need to return to like the core values of the country like individual responsibility and resilience and like take responsibility for building alternatives to this stuff you don't want to comply with digital ID and programmable surveil money make new systems uh make new alternative Financial systems alternative uh any system but I think Financial is definitely an important start because
(2:08:33) you know a lot of this ultimately leads to people being like financially deplatformed or like completely cut of out of out of the economy right um but there's a lot people need to be do in terms of solutions and the more we're distracted by like the political circus in the United States um you know the less time people people are spending building and also letting people in the public know about Solutions because as we get closer to November the the censorship situation on platforms um is going going to just get crazier than it
(2:09:03) even was last time or any of the previous elections it's going to be harder to get information out uh so either alternatives for communication or information distribution or or finances whatever a lot of that has to be thought about and like at least start to be developed like now would be that's why I was holding my thumb up because I think the combination of Bitcoin lightning Noster ecash is what people should be focusing on um to or just Solutions building something you know um and and a lot of it has not been
(2:09:39) that a lot of it I mean it's almost like it seems like sometimes there was an effort to convince some bitcoiners almost like a version of Q and on trust the plan like let's just sit back and do nothing and then we're just going to win uh because bitcoin's the best and then you have I mean uh I don't know I think that complacency is not good people should be building developers should be developing right um and this idea that like we just sit back and do nothing and everything's going to be like fine and
(2:10:13) dandy while like all these crazy agendas and policies are being rolled out um you know I I I don't think that's good to have whether whether it's for Bitcoin or really anywhere else you know no and I complely plan no I don't think and I I'm a big proponent of we're going to win I've written articles about this and I want to make it clear it's not like a sure we agree statement of complacency it's like you have to believe that you can win so that you can so it's like trying to instill confidence but white
(2:10:44) pill here is like I but up front and close view to all this due to what we do at 10:31 and it is happening people are building um and it is accelerating particularly on Noster and ecash things are are really accelerating at a pace that I would not have expected only a year ago or at the beginning of this year even so that gives me a lot of Hope and then another thing I wanted to add sort of unrelated to that but the going back to like the um emotional manipulation that's why I think I've been very online for the last five days
(2:11:17) and trying to like figure out because if it was truly and I I like I I think I do believe that it was a failed assassination attempt and so like if we're running with the assumption that that's exactly what it was which I tend to believe it was is like they tried to manipulate our emotions that way and it failed and so that's been like the perplexing thing for me over the last five days is like a like what like they missed and now what does that mean is it like and going back to the divine intervention was it some sort of divine
(2:11:49) intervention that sort of set a path that the uh incumbent power structure whether it was the Democrats or Republicans that have set something off or maybe it was truly a lone wolf guy and pure incompetence by social or excuse me umh what's it called the Secret Service um that's where like for me personally just taking a step back be like oh did they try to manipulate us one way it didn't work and what's the ramifications of that just thinking yeah through it's hard it's hard to know what
(2:12:19) is the manipulation what is the narrative what is the Miss what part exactly it's about the Discord uh and sort of the breaking of you know keeping us really highly emotional High easily triggered creatures that become addicted to consuming more content on the service because we're trying to dig to you know the truth you know we're searching for meaning on Twitter on Reddit uh on forchan whatever it is I mean they're they're controlled boxes and we're searching for meaning on there and they
(2:12:51) they hide a lot of Truth uh in in this these narratives you know there's a lot about Q andon I'm sure that's very true and is you know why people are emotionally manipulated by it you know because there's elements of truth to it uh there's elements of truth to all of these counter narratives there's elements of Truth to mainstream narratives um but they code it in a way with that uh you know uh that that push you towards these boxes these pens that they want you in so I I would say that that uh you know they want you
(2:13:23) thinking uh was this a Miss was this not a Miss let's go look at ballistic stuff let's go look at triangulations of points you know they want you thinking about that and consuming it on their platform um because it it makes you a highly emotional and easily controllable person and obviously Marty I think you're you're one of the best for sure and I'm not I'm not it's not criticizing you specifically because I'm just not um but I mean it's like I see this happen with people that you know I see it
(2:13:51) happen with myself like I should know better that's why I try to put it out there because I'm just like I'm just reflecting on how I've been affected over the last five days and trying to lay it out there yeah totally and I think we just in general you know there's there's a lot of understanding and moments of clarity but we really just have to like kind of practice what we preach and and do it every day and every moment of every day uh you know because that's how we win again it's an
(2:14:14) internal thing you know we break away from these silos and these these these data feeds this this uh you know disconnect from it and get back to reality go touch grass uh you know go build barter systems go grow things you know yada yada all the typical white pills that we talk about at the end of every episode but but it's true you know go do those things and disconnect because they they want your attention your attention and your perception is the only commodity your time is the only commodity and and the
(2:14:45) more distracted we are also the less focused we are in Building Solutions I mean honestly during Co um and and even slightly after you know uh we had enough information to know what the agenda was you know and what they were trying to push this like Global biocurity surveillance State and how they were going to do it digital ID programmable surveill money like we've known about this stuff from a long time and we've been you know told that you know for example we were held up people like Ronda santis he's against cbdcs and
(2:15:16) against all of this tyranny and stuff but he like has pushed through Florida digital ID arguably faster along than most other states umil by like a world economic Forum strategic partner uh from France fails I don't think that's how you say it but that's how it's spelled um and like I don't know I mean these guys um are politicians they're beholden to their donors they have been I mean that that's just how it works right and so we need to look at the money behind our politicians and see what that money
(2:15:50) wants is trying to drive the country toward and if you look at both parties it's essentially the same yeah so you know how however much you know we want to get in the weeds of like oh current events and like Trump said this Biden said this yada y y going on you know we're you know distracted on on this and not focused on the bigger picture of like what both of these parties are trying to develop um you know and impose on the country and we need to be developing Solutions and if we're distracted by all this other stuff
(2:16:19) going on you know we're less focused on on that and I think that's that's part of the goal and I think also part of like this economy uh that they want to build uh that involves later on stuff like the metaverse and all of that you know it's um you know us little plebs are going to get rewarded with like tokens for like what we read and like the stuff we consume and and stuff that distracts us all day you know we're sort of being trained for that you know um and it's it's started and there's people
(2:16:49) that are like all in for that on some cases you know um but I you know I'm certainly not um and I think people need to be kind of aware that mine if you're still here listening two and a half hours in which I'm sure you are because people listen most people listen every minute of episodes that we record particularly with you two um bitcoiners be aware of what they're trying to do with the cftc and get every company that handles spot Bitcoin um basically put under the cftc which is unprecedented cftc commodity
(2:17:26) Futures Trading commission only regulates derivatives and Futures contracts right now and they're pushing to get it so they can regulate spot Bitcoin and again this is I think I believe a fault to the narrative that Bitcoin is a commodity it's not money and the cftc is taken that like oh well if it's a commodity we'll regulate everything um and so that's something to be aware of in the midst of this chaos leading up to election is pay pay attention to if and when they try to present a Bill in Congress that would
(2:17:56) give the cftc domain over anybody that handles spot Bitcoin because that would not be good for the industry at all yeah I think you're in Bitcoin and Beyond just going to keep seeing these kind of power grabs sneak out here and there yeah um and again the important of vigilance and trying to avoid some of these distractions but as these algorithms become increasingly manipul it's going to be harder to use them to find useful information you know I think after the assassination attempt um what a lot of people do after those kind of
(2:18:29) big events as they go on social media and try and find out what the heck is going on or what the heck heck happened right um but if they control these platforms more and more and more and manipulate what people see more and more and more um you're going to find less truth on it and you know all of these platforms including Twitter X whatever are all part of you know these efforts to censor as we get closer to the election to protect democ y or whatever just like last time I mean it's just but it's going to be worse guarantee it this
(2:18:56) time than last time um and I think people should be really Vigilant about that and maybe find other ways to get their news um you can develop your own news feed uh on RSS you know and take out the social media middleman entirely and not have to worry about the algorithm bumping out something that you actually would need to see or you know actually important news that's relevant to like your interests and what you care about you know um and I I think the more people that do that the better off will be um because the way the Silicon Valley
(2:19:25) and this intelligent Silicon Valley L cabal have so much power is because our world has become so dependent on all of their platforms and content creators please stop making content that's just algo slop and just make content that you want to make and that you believe in and don't change your headlines and don't change your thumbnails and don't play all the games because then you become incentivized to just become Al go slaves and you just end up creating the same content that you started out being a
(2:19:57) content creator to to circumnavigate and and to create truth so you have a lot of responsibility uh and Marty I think you do a great job um and and I I I think more people out there should be really aware of you know of course there are some games that need to be played to get viewers but never let that affect the actual core of the content because this is such an time and we need truth tellers you can't be afraid to talk the truth don't don't let Financial interests change your content don't let
(2:20:24) them censor you don't self censor uh you know we we need brave people right now uh we need truth um don't make it about you make it about the content um and and we just we just need that so desperately right now especially the Bitcoin space it's such an important space and it's so Co co-opted right now so I'll leave it on that but uh Marty thanks so much for having us man this has been a blast it's always a pleasure and I'm going to take what we talked about about the heart uh my youngest is about to wake up for a
(2:20:53) nap and I'm going to unplug and go to the beach for a few hours of my family yeah sounds like a plan all right you guys crushing it thank you for coming on and we'll do it again at some point I'm sure in the next few months absolutely all right peace and love freaks
